Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Well study all the material I've given, learn both sides, stop parroting the anti agenda, do your own due diligence, which includes hearing both sides. I've given you a good start. Gotta go.

This is an admission that he knows he has lost.

Let's move onto something else.

Yes he's lost, but I think he is too stupid to know it....

Just Reading wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Well study all the material I've given, learn both sides, stop parroting the anti agenda, do your own due diligence, which includes hearing both sides. I've given you a good start. Gotta go.

This is an admission that he knows he has lost.

Let's move onto something else.

Yes he's lost, but I think he is too stupid to know it....

No, he knows he has, even if he says he hasn't.

Remember when he tried to throw those French shipping registers of women to New Canada as some sort of evidence that women married you back in the 18th century?

He couldn't give us any marriage records that attested to that. That's what he does. He throws nonsense and argues as if it makes sense.

He is the perfect example of one who slept through high school and did not go to college.

Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
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Yes Dubbs I have read about them, how else did I know about them

You never mentioned the Kirtland papers dumbass, you said it was Josephs "grammar and language" book, which it is not even in Joseph's handwriting, you didn't know that did you dumbass?

Well Dubbs the first vision version you accept today is not the one in Josephs handwriting either.

Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
[b2. JS said he could translate them because he was a Prophet, seer and revelator.... Joseph also made a document or book he called "Grammar & Alphabet of the Egyptian Language" but in 1966 when this book was leaked out to the public, it in no way substantiated JS's ability to translate ancient Egyptian, it did quite the opposite because the book turned out to be nothing but page after page of nonsensical gibberish, it may have impressed unsophisticated people of the past but it was unable to withstand the scrutiny of experts of today....

This part is not true.

"Really".. ?? Show us how you know this..!!!

Your claim, your burden of proof, but the book you are speaking of was not written in Joseph handwriting, it is the Kirtland papers, you need to do some due diligence big dumbass and read about it all before posting your BS from anti sites.

Here Dubbs let me show you how wrong you are "LOL"
read this from Hugh W. Nibley from a LDS/BYU site...

The Kirtland Egyptian Papers are written in the handwriting of six men: W. W. Phelps, Frederick G. Williams, Warren Parrish, Oliver Cowdery, Willard Richards, and Joseph Smith.


http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=121

and there is this:

"Joseph Smith's Translation of Abraham's Alphabet and Grammar."1 Small wonder that the parties who since 1966 have diligently exploited this document as a weapon against the Prophet have been only too happy to accept without further discussion and on the authority of the Mormons themselves the quite untested and untenable propositions (a) that Joseph Smith actually wrote the thing, and (b) that he also translated that other text (the first chapter and part of the second chapter of the Book of Abraham) from the Egyptian symbols that accompany it.

well Dubbs I fulfilled my burden of proof from your own LDS/BYU site

Now where is your proof buddy boy..???

Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
The standard argument of the critics is that Joseph produced the Book of Abraham from a few characters on the Sensen scroll...To call the Book of Abraham a translation of the few glyphs in the margins hardly makes sense... If Joseph had indeed claimed to be translating entire paragraphs of complex English text from single Egyptian characters ("shorthand" hieratic script, not elaborate glyphs), his associates who worked with him during the days of translation should have been suspicious. One of the scribes assisting in the work, Warren Parrish, did later turn against Joseph and the Church. But mantioned nothing of it.

Provide the source for the material above, Dubbs. It means nothing if you don't.

Tell bigdummy to provide all of his first, then I'll think about it. It still won't mean a thing to you, because you won't read the LDS side anyway, you'll just parrot the anti nut jobs material.


"LOL" Dubbs read my last post it came from a LDS/BYU site "LOL"

Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
[b2. JS said he could translate them because he was a Prophet, seer and revelator.... Joseph also made a document or book he called "Grammar & Alphabet of the Egyptian Language" but in 1966 when this book was leaked out to the public, it in no way substantiated JS's ability to translate ancient Egyptian, it did quite the opposite because the book turned out to be nothing but page after page of nonsensical gibberish, it may have impressed unsophisticated people of the past but it was unable to withstand the scrutiny of experts of today....

This part is not true.

"Really".. ?? Show us how you know this..!!!

Your claim, your burden of proof, but the book you are speaking of was not written in Joseph handwriting, it is the Kirtland papers, you need to do some due diligence big dumbass and read about it all before posting your BS from anti sites.

Here Dubbs let me show you how wrong you are "LOL"
read this from Hugh W. Nibley from a LDS/BYU site...

The Kirtland Egyptian Papers are written in the handwriting of six men: W. W. Phelps, Frederick G. Williams, Warren Parrish, Oliver Cowdery, Willard Richards, and Joseph Smith.


http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=121

and there is this:

"Joseph Smith's Translation of Abraham's Alphabet and Grammar."1 Small wonder that the parties who since 1966 have diligently exploited this document as a weapon against the Prophet have been only too happy to accept without further discussion and on the authority of the Mormons themselves the quite untested and untenable propositions (a) that Joseph Smith actually wrote the thing, and (b) that he also translated that other text (the first chapter and part of the second chapter of the Book of Abraham) from the Egyptian symbols that accompany it.

well Dubbs I fulfilled my burden of proof from your own LDS/BYU site

Now where is your proof buddy boy..???

Very good bigdummy, You are learning that Joseph didn't write the book as was your first claim, Joseph wrote 2 of the hundreds of pages, hardly a book written by him as was your first claim. Also, your quote above is incomplete, not very honest, finish the quote and learn more dumby.

Now read the rest of the article to find out what the KEP is, as it is not what you claimed it was. Your learning bigdummy, if we could just get you to comprehend faster and better now.