dadofone wrote:

Wren wrote:

dadofone wrote:

Wren wrote:

GrackMarginal wrote:

I thought Romney's speech was a good example of what a presidential candidate in America is required say.

If he had specifically recognized the rights of atheists et. al., he would have eroded the effect of the speech on his target audience.

This speech didn't expressly address the rights of atheists under the Constitution at all. It's a bit of an overreaction to conclude that their exclusion means that every American should choose a church. It was only one speech, for heaven's sake.

At any rate, the rights of atheists are well established in law, and no president is going to have much effect on the matter. Romney can spout about nativity scenes, but the courts, thankfully, are going to keep ordering them off government property anyway.

Having said all that, I will renew my prediction from many months ago. Romney will be the GOP nominee by virtue of elimination.


And I told you that you were crazy back then. Crazy is as crazy does, huh? GM, you may very well be right. And I will tell you why. MR had to hit a home run yesterday, just as Kirk Gibson had to hit a HR in the 1989 world series. It was the only thing that Mitt could do to save the day. And he hit it out of the park.


1988 World Series . . . Dodgers fan here.

Romney's speech was more like a sacrifice fly that scores a run when you're down by three.


You are right about the year (1988) and dead wrong about Romney. Next week will show MR's upswing in the polls.


We shall see; somehow, I doubt it. Rasmussen's daily tracking shows a one point "upswing" yesterday and nothing more today.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history

There's also the recent Newsweek poll showing Huckabee with a 39/17 lead over Romney in Iowa. This poll was concluded on the day of Romney's speech and offers some interesting analysis about the evangelical base:

Questions about religion"in particular skepticism about Romney's Mormonism"appeared to play a role in the latest results on the GOP side. The survey was completed on the day of the former Massachusetts governor's much-heralded speech in College Station, Texas, addressing his religion, though most respondents probably had not heard it. Still, only a small number of the 540 Republican voters surveyed in Iowa (10 percent) said they wanted to hear more from Romney about that issue, and close to half (46 percent) said at least some Iowa Republican voters will not consider supporting Romney because of his Mormon faith. More than a quarter (27 percent) said they don't consider Mormons to be Christians, and one in six (16 percent) said they are less likely to support Romney because he is a Mormon.

Huckabee's religious credibility, by the same token, appears to be a key factor behind his surge. Huckabee has opened up a huge lead among evangelicals, who are likely to make up about 40 percent of GOP caucus-goers on Jan. 3, the survey found. Among all Republican voters who identify themselves as evangelicals, 47 percent support Huckabee while only 14 percent back Romney. Among nonevangelicals, the two candidates are dead even at 24 percent apiece. Even so, a majority of Republican voters indicated that other issues, such as abortion, same-sex marriage, immigration, health care and Iraq, are more important than religion.

I really wasn't impressed with Romney's speech and I'm not aware of too many people who were, other than Mormons, you and a couple of stupid, supposedly "lifelong Democrats" who read the Trib.


DadofOne, you speak as if you are a rather simple pleb.

We will have to see what the polls next week bring, and they will make you very unhappy, I believe.

Secondly, I have been a "supposedly 'lifelong' [Republican]", who very rarely reads the Tribune, unlike you, who obviously and avidly reads it.

Hutterite wrote:

Hey mitt,

I have faith in America.
Faith in God, too.
Religion, though is tearing us apart. Evil, it is, in its' manifestation.

Still, we need a republican president next. No democrat should inherit the mess from George. Should that republican be mitt?
Nah. too mormon. We need someone with character, who's experienced coffee and life.


Your comment proves Romney's points about religious tolerance very well.

Wren wrote:

dadofone wrote:

I really wasn't impressed with Romney's speech and I'm not aware of too many people who were, other than Mormons, you and a couple of stupid, supposedly "lifelong Democrats" who read the Trib.


DadofOne, you speak as if you are a rather simple pleb.

We will have to see what the polls next week bring, and they will make you very unhappy, I believe.

Secondly, I have been a "supposedly 'lifelong' [Republican]", who very rarely reads the Tribune, unlike you, who obviously and avidly reads it.


He was referring to the following letter to the editor in this mornings Tribune.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7663947

and yes, a week or two will show you how wrong you are if you think Mitty's poll number are going to jump way up. I'm sure the speech is a smash in Utah, but then again, the residents of this state gave George Bush his highest winning percentages...twice. :

GrackMarginal wrote:



Having said all that, I will renew my prediction from many months ago. Romney will be the GOP nominee by virtue of elimination.


Your prediction was wrong many months ago. It is wrong now. GOP Primaries, especially those in the south, are controlled by evangelical white Christians. They consider the LDS faith a cult. They will not vote for someone they consider a "cultist." If is funny that Utah, with all its LDS members have been so slavish to the GOP, giving them votes, money and support, only to see that the GOP bigots deep down do not respect their faith or even tolerate it.

The Keeper wrote:

What do I believe about Jesus Christ? I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind. My church's beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths.

Yep, the offspring of Adam God and the Virgin Mary through physical sex and the spirit brother of Lucifer, according to Prophet Brigham Young.


As he stated...we may have differing beliefs as to the nature of God and of Jesus Christ then do mainstream Christians...but this does not change the fact that we DO worship Almighty God, AND His Only Begotten Son, Jesus...the Christ.

Wren wrote:

TruthHurts wrote:

The Keeper wrote:

"...free to belong to any religion they choose, as long as they choose one."

You sound like a recruiter for Freemasons! That's their credo.


LOL.

Not me. I was paraphrasing Romney's logic, so I guess you are saying Mitt sounds like a Freemason. Hey, wasn't Joseph Smith one of those?


I believe George Washington was a Mason and many of the presidents since then belong to the fraternity.


I've never understood the animosity toward the Freemasons.

The list of our Founding Fathers, the authors and framers and signers of the Constitution of the United States of America contains a high percentage of those involved in Freemasonry.