Since the 14th Amendment likely will not be changed anytime in the near or far future, I suppose you kooks will continue to gather under the sheet of ignorance and continue to rant.  Have fun!

The headline writer is wrong of course. Maybe he or she was just trying to fit it into the limited space, but the children are not "illegal immigrants."

They are, of course, natural born citizens of the United States.

The U.S. and many other countries in the Americas follow the jus soli in granting citizenship to all who are born within its borders.

Sure, the Native Americans weren't citizens until 100 years ago, but then what other group of people living within the U.S. did the government enter into (and break, of course) treaties with? None. Because only the Native Americans were recognized as separate sovereign nations. (Look at the Commerce Clause, where Congress is give authority to regulate commerce "with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Indians are sui generis, and their status isn't relevant to any other people.)

Changing the 14th amendment would not persuade people not to come to the U.S. Nor would it persuade people to leave. It would help create a perpetual class of non-citizens, who could be preyed upon by corrupt employers or corrupt police or corrupt politicians. I don't think that's a place we want to go.

M Butler wrote:

The headline writer is wrong of course. Maybe he or she was just trying to fit it into the limited space, but the children are not "illegal immigrants."

They are, of course, natural born citizens of the United States.

The U.S. and many other countries in the Americas follow the jus soli in granting citizenship to all who are born within its borders.

Sure, the Native Americans weren't citizens until 100 years ago, but then what other group of people living within the U.S. did the government enter into (and break, of course) treaties with? None. Because only the Native Americans were recognized as separate sovereign nations. (Look at the Commerce Clause, where Congress is give authority to regulate commerce "with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Indians are sui generis, and their status isn't relevant to any other people.)

Changing the 14th amendment would not persuade people not to come to the U.S. Nor would it persuade people to leave. It would help create a perpetual class of non-citizens, who could be preyed upon by corrupt employers or corrupt police or corrupt politicians. I don't think that's a place we want to go.

Leave it to Butler to omit facts! Native tribes are separate sovereign nations? The key element is the federal government is trustee for those so-called sovereigns. Do sovereigns need federal and state permission to open casinos? Tell your fan club what a trustee is, Butler. Perhaps Butler can find their missing billions of dollars over at the BIA, being held in trust for them!

The Keeper wrote:

M Butler wrote:

The headline writer is wrong of course. Maybe he or she was just trying to fit it into the limited space, but the children are not "illegal immigrants."

They are, of course, natural born citizens of the United States.

The U.S. and many other countries in the Americas follow the jus soli in granting citizenship to all who are born within its borders.

Sure, the Native Americans weren't citizens until 100 years ago, but then what other group of people living within the U.S. did the government enter into (and break, of course) treaties with? None. Because only the Native Americans were recognized as separate sovereign nations. (Look at the Commerce Clause, where Congress is give authority to regulate commerce "with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Indians are sui generis, and their status isn't relevant to any other people.)

Changing the 14th amendment would not persuade people not to come to the U.S. Nor would it persuade people to leave. It would help create a perpetual class of non-citizens, who could be preyed upon by corrupt employers or corrupt police or corrupt politicians. I don't think that's a place we want to go.

Leave it to Butler to omit facts! Native tribes are separate sovereign nations? The key element is the federal government is trustee for those so-called sovereigns. Do sovereigns need federal and state permission to open casinos? Tell your fan club what a trustee is, Butler. Perhaps Butler can find their missing billions of dollars over at the BIA, being held in trust for them!


Someday when I have time I'll try to teach you the past tense.

M Butler wrote:

The Keeper wrote:

M Butler wrote:

The headline writer is wrong of course. Maybe he or she was just trying to fit it into the limited space, but the children are not "illegal immigrants."

They are, of course, natural born citizens of the United States.

The U.S. and many other countries in the Americas follow the jus soli in granting citizenship to all who are born within its borders.

Sure, the Native Americans weren't citizens until 100 years ago, but then what other group of people living within the U.S. did the government enter into (and break, of course) treaties with? None. Because only the Native Americans were recognized as separate sovereign nations. (Look at the Commerce Clause, where Congress is give authority to regulate commerce "with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Indians are sui generis, and their status isn't relevant to any other people.)

Changing the 14th amendment would not persuade people not to come to the U.S. Nor would it persuade people to leave. It would help create a perpetual class of non-citizens, who could be preyed upon by corrupt employers or corrupt police or corrupt politicians. I don't think that's a place we want to go.

Leave it to Butler to omit facts! Native tribes are separate sovereign nations? The key element is the federal government is trustee for those so-called sovereigns. Do sovereigns need federal and state permission to open casinos? Tell your fan club what a trustee is, Butler. Perhaps Butler can find their missing billions of dollars over at the BIA, being held in trust for them!


Someday when I have time I'll try to teach you the past tense.


just when this was getting interesting. what a cop out. The rest of us want to hear this one.
What's the matter.

M Butler wrote:

The Keeper wrote:

M Butler wrote:

The headline writer is wrong of course. Maybe he or she was just trying to fit it into the limited space, but the children are not "illegal immigrants."

They are, of course, natural born citizens of the United States.

The U.S. and many other countries in the Americas follow the jus soli in granting citizenship to all who are born within its borders.

Sure, the Native Americans weren't citizens until 100 years ago, but then what other group of people living within the U.S. did the government enter into (and break, of course) treaties with? None. Because only the Native Americans were recognized as separate sovereign nations. (Look at the Commerce Clause, where Congress is give authority to regulate commerce "with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Indians are sui generis, and their status isn't relevant to any other people.)

Changing the 14th amendment would not persuade people not to come to the U.S. Nor would it persuade people to leave. It would help create a perpetual class of non-citizens, who could be preyed upon by corrupt employers or corrupt police or corrupt politicians. I don't think that's a place we want to go.

Leave it to Butler to omit facts! Native tribes are separate sovereign nations? The key element is the federal government is trustee for those so-called sovereigns. Do sovereigns need federal and state permission to open casinos? Tell your fan club what a trustee is, Butler. Perhaps Butler can find their missing billions of dollars over at the BIA, being held in trust for them!


Someday when I have time I'll try to teach you the past tense.


Nope, it is the loonies who omit facts and admit errors.

Butler is right that "changing the 14th amendment" is not going to stop people from coming to the US. And the main point is this -- the overwhelming majority of citizens and the legislatures have absolutely no interest in changing it.

So go crawl under your rocks, for the bright sun of truth shines on you.