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Re: George W. Bush, president or dictator? 1 Year, 3 Months ago Karma: 0  
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My example of why GW would be a poor president was when I read about his thrice failed oil exploration attempts. With daddy's money and then later Saudi money little george played oil man in the most oil rich county in Texas.


Many would-be oil men have come up with many dry wells. Nothing unique about that.

Of course, this gray matter challenged wanna be couldn't find a drop of oil and bankrupted three companies while providing a golden parachute each time for himself.

Try it and see if you can do as well.

These ill gotten gains then provided a way for GW to buy into the Texas Rangers baseball team for a few million bucks. Well guess what: The Rangers pressure the city of Arlington to build them a state of the art stadium at a cost to the taxpayers in the hundreds of millions. GW then promptly sold his share for a tidy little windfall.

Happened in many big league cities. It's a win-win.

That information alone was enough to convince me that this guy was not only a dufuss but a con artist.


The real dufuss is your man Carter.
 
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gopherus wrote:

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While in Indonesia, as a child, Obama attended a public school, not a Madrassa, prior to transferring to a Catholic school. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2822061
Did Sean and Rush forget to mention that?


I'm happy for him if he attended a public school. He also attended a Madrassas according to reports. The fact that he either denies attending or refuses (neglects) to explain (fully), speaks volumes to me. Maybe not to you. We I need to know everything to the nth degree about someone who would be President of the United States. Your disdain for Bush 43 should have taught you that much. Maybe not. The fact that he favors mass immigration of illegals is enough for me not to have voted for him. But who knew?

Islam does not let anyone "leave" the religion. If they attempt it, they are subject to disciplinary action including death. Having said that, I doubt the Muslims would kill a Muslim US president as he would be an asset to the cause.


The real issue here is that you believe false reports produced by those who have an interest in tearing down a charismatic Democrat rather than the reports that debunk them.


I've heard little or no reports from the horse's mouth, the candidate.

I would suggest you find your news from less biased sources.

Like what? The New York Times and Dan Rather?

I didn't vote for Bush, I had enough information to predict many of the poor decisions he has made.


List one.


How many candidates respond directly to obviously false statements from political pundits?

Most reputable papers are moderate in politics and provide generally accurate information. The same could be said for Rather for most of his career. You should always ensure that multiple, independent sources are providing the same story when it reads like an attack.

Clean skies. Forest Conservation Act. Alito. Faith based initiatives. Support of flag-burning amendment and amendment banning gay marriage.


Must have been a large crystal ball. Did you swipe it from a dance hall?


No, I use one of the sequins from your leisure suit.


There's your problem. You shoulda used your glass eye.
 
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So where, pray tell, is it established that these United States are based on Christianity?


If you read these comments then you understand the principles of the constitution. It may not say it directly but it is certainly implied that this is a Christian nation. When one studies the works of the founding fathers in totality we get their purpose. Altghough the constitution does not use the words "This is a Christian nation", it is clear it is built on Christian values and bible principles.

The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.
"John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798
"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all Our forefathers opened the Bible to all. [American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]

The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.
John Quincy Adams.
Be religiously careful in our choice of all public officers . . . and judge of the tree by its fruits.
Charles Carroll
" Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure...are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments." [Source: To James McHenry on November 4, 1800.]
Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin

In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the Cornerstone."
Alexander Hamilton:

The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States.
On July 12, 1804 at his death, Hamilton said, I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.
"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
John Hancock: | Portrait of John Hancock
It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.
John Jay: | Portrait of John Jay

We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. Weve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacityto sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]
"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . . Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them."
John Peter Gabriel Muhlenberg | Statue of John Peter Gabriel Muhlenberg
The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe every thing they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal. The Existence of God--1810
Benjamin Rush:
I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as laying its foundations.
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]
At the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration [i.e., the First Amendment], the general, if not the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship.
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]
Noah Webster:
In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.
[Source: 1828, in the preface to his American Dictionary of the English Language]
Let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God [Exodus 18:21]. . . . If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted . . . If our government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the Divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws. [Noah Webster, the History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie and Peck, 1832), pp. 336-337, 49]
All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible. [Noah Webster. History. p. 339]
The Bible was Americas basic textbook
in all fields. [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5]

Education is useless without the Bible [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5]
George Washington:
Farewell Address: The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion" ...and later: "...reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle..." | photo of Farewell address original manuscript

It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.
What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ. [Speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]
"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]
During his inauguration, Washington took the oath as prescribed by the Constitution but added several religious components to that official ceremony. Before taking his oath of office, he summoned a Bible on which to take the oath, added the words So help me God! to the end of the oath, then leaned over and kissed the Bible.
 
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And here I was looking forward to seeing WRZ's evidence that the US is a Christian nation.

**Sigh**


Actually, I think you are making a reasonable objection to the point. The United States is slowly becoming less a Christian nation and more a Muslim nation.


The objection to the point is that the United States were not founded on ANY religious principle. Look it up in the Constitution yourself. I already did.


When the framers of the constitution say that the bible was a major driver on the creation of the bible and that the constitution was founded on the teachings of Christ and christianity, I take them at their word. The only doctrine in contravention of that is the tripoli treaty and I can understand the politics of that. When by far the majority of writings say we are a christian nation and these writings are predominantly from the framers of the constitution I prefer to take them at their word.
 
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This country was founded on the basis of Christian principles. And for sure not Muslim principles.


Really?

Where does it say "The United States of America is a Christian nation" or "The United States of America is founded on the basis of Christian principles" anywhere in the US Constitution?


I said: "This country was founded on the basis of Christian principles." Since you and your ilk came on the scene it has lost it's Christian underpinnings.

I just ran a search of the US constitution for God, Christian, Christ and religion.

The only hit was Religion, in the 1st Amendment.

So please tell us where this idea that the United States was founded on the basis of Christian principles, cause I certainly don't see it.


The Constitution establishes the government, not the country. There's a world of difference between the two.

If you want to say that the Founding Fathers were Christian, you'd be more accurate.

And so were the citizens to a man/woman. That makes it a Christian country.

However, if I remember my history correctly, the Founding Fathers wanted to make certain that this country was not founded on any religious principles except for the fact that all men are created equal under their Creator, as is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Almost correct. They wanted to make sure there was no government established or sanctioned religion.

So where, pray tell, is it established that these United States are based on Christianity?

In the hearts and minds of the Founding Fathers and those citizens alive at the founding.


So the founding fathers were Christian. That does not make this nation Christian.

I dare you to find quotes from the Founding Fathers that say they built this nation to be a Christian nation.


I have just posted many statements by teh founding fathers and signers of the declaration of independence. The ball is in your court.
 
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My example of why GW would be a poor president was when I read about his thrice failed oil exploration attempts. With daddy's money and then later Saudi money little george played oil man in the most oil rich county in Texas. Of course, this gray matter challenged wanna be couldn't find a drop of oil and bankrupted three companies while providing a golden parachute each time for himself.

These ill gotten gains then provided a way for GW to buy into the Texas Rangers baseball team for a few million bucks. Well guess what: The Rangers pressure the city of Arlington to build them a state of the art stadium at a cost to the taxpayers in the hundreds of millions. GW then promptly sold his share for a tidy little windfall.

Nice work if you can get it. Or if you have family ties.

That information alone was enough to convince me that this guy was not only a dufuss but a con artist.


Check your crystal ball and tell us about Hillary and Osama Obama.
Huh?

I did not need a crystal ball to see the creature that is George Bush. I researched as all voters should have in the 90's and determined that this guy was a back slapping, smiling dolt who had no business making important decisions for the people in this country.

Barrack Obama on the other hand seems to frighten you wrz. Is it because of skin tone or your obvious lack of facts concerning Obama's upbringing and patriotism in this country?

Slander on your part will only help to bring voters to the Democratic nomination this year.

Thanks for your part in helping to send our great country into a new direction.
 
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