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JLD (User)
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Re: IN OUR VIEW: Mormonism is no cult 9 Months ago
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L Franck wrote:
I believe there is a very real danger here that most of you have failed to consider. Bear with me on this.
Mormons believe that God now authoritatively speaks through a man (Gordon B. Hinckley, the current 97 year old head of the LDS church) who they consider to be a modern day "Prophet" of God. Mormons are told that their "Prophet" is actually infallible - at least when he claims to be speaking in his "Prophet" capacity. And that to disobey their "Prophet" is to disobey God.
The leaders of most Christian denominations - other than Roman Catholics and those which are commonly called "cults" - do not claim to possess this kind of God given authority.
That's one reason why Kennedy had to give his "Catholic speech" - to promise that he would not take any orders from the Pope, a man who many Catholics would never consider disobeying. In doing so JFK proved he was not a very good Catholic. Because if he believed that the Pope really spoke from God he would certainly always obey the Pope.
Mitt Romney is well known as a man who will say almost anything to get elected. His flip flops make John Kerry look like a novice. So we have to ask ourselves, "Was Mitt really being honest with us today when he assured us that he will never take any orders from Salt Lake City? Or was he once again just saying what he felt he had to say to get elected?" I'm not sure. Why? Because Mitt is a much stronger Mormon than JFK was a Catholic. Mitt was a very high up in his church, "Stake Leader" I think the term is. Can anyone that deep into the Mormon church honestly say he would ever disobey his "Prophet" in anything? I don't think so.
So, how can we trust Mitt when he says he will never take orders from Salt Lake City?
Of course no one other than Mormons believe their "Prophet" is really a prophet of God. And we all know what great harm has been done in the past by those who have followed the instructions of someone they believed was speaking with God's authority who, of course, really was not doing so. When Jim Jones told his followers to drink the poison Kool-Aid most of them did so willingly. Why? They really believed Jim Jones was God's Prophet and you don't question God's Prophet.
If some very old senile man in Salt Lake City - falsely claiming to be "God's prophet" - tells President Mitt Romney - who believes this guy really is God's prophet - to fire nukes at Russia, Romney, being the good Mormon that he is, just might do it.
With these things in mind, I believe most people now fail to understand the possible very grave danger this country might be in if our president was a "good Mormon."
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JLD (User)
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Re: IN OUR VIEW: Mormonism is no cult 9 Months ago
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Jaye wrote:
Grizz wrote:
And who can deny that the fruits the Joe Smith brought forth was good? Look at the good that the LDS church has done for the world can you deny that? Grow up grizz and all you haters. Cool
Those are the Sheep's clothing, Mormons point to how good they are, and say look at what we do around the world, But what they are pointing to are the outer garments(SHEEPS CLOTHING). But when you uncover the sheeps clothing you find Joseph Smith's evil Doctrine of God, and that is what will destroy peoples souls!
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The Lord said that a man might be known by his words and his actions...much as a good tree is known by it's good fruits...and a corrupt tree is known by it's corrupt fruits.
"Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
When John informed Jesus that he and the other disciples had seen a man casting out devils in His name, and the man was not one of the followers of Christ, and they had forbidden him to continue...what did Jesus say?
"Forbid Him NOT; for there is no man which shall do a miracle in My name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us...is with us on our part.
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in My name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."
You worry too much about what the LDS people believe...and far too little about following the admonitions of your Savior.
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Nice post, thank you Jaye.
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Jaye (User)
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Re: IN OUR VIEW: Mormonism is no cult 9 Months ago
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You're welcome JLD...and thanks right back at'cha for the compliment.
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Re: IN OUR VIEW: Mormonism is no cult 9 Months ago
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Perfect Violation wrote:
Aldebaran wrote:
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I'm not Mormon. I don't even believe in God. I just don't see why someone would want to try to connect a word that is very derogative to something that clearly makes millions of people happy. And is that not what religion should be about, finding happiness and a personal relationship with the god of your choice?
Your statement "I just don't see why someone would want to try to connect a word that is very derogative to something that clearly makes millions of people happy" intrigues me. I heard Tom Cruise on TV say that exact same thing in response to a critic of Scientology. The damage Scientology has done to it's member's & their families are legendary, go ahead & google it.
Your statement implies that in spite of the church's cult-like properties it makes people happy and causes no problems.
I know many, personally, who's families have been destroyed. Scientology & the Jehova's Witnesses have an official "disconnect" policy (a policy which instructs members to cut off contact with anyone who speaks ill of their church).
The church does not have such a policy, but it might as well. For example, the church teaches that you can't get to the Celestial Kingdom without being sealed to a worthy spouse. What happens if one partner in a marriage chooses to no longer be Mormon?
The believing spouse's eternal salvation is directly affected, the "eternal family" is now threatened. Can you imagine the sort of phobia-response illicited in a true believer facing that? I personally wonder how many marriages have been destroyed by missionary activity -- where one spouse is converted and the other isn't. Suddenly the non-believing spouse is inadequate & insufficient.
There are many more instances, all the direct result of a cult-like control of member's behavior, information, thoughts, emotions, that can cause serious problems such as these.
In light of recent studies showing Utah to have the highest per-capita rate of depression, a good case could be made it is in large part the result of the Church's overwhelming demands & impossible standards. The social pressure is intense, especially in Utah.
I agree, religion is supposed to make people happy, improve their lives, bring peace & tranquility. Each individual needs to assess if their religion, when it's all added up, gives them that net-benefit. The problem with cult-control is it strips the individual of that freedom, it's a mental trap with the illusion of free-will & choice.
*sigh* Why is Tome Cruise always stealing my lines? heh. Anyway, I will look in to the scientology thing.
I understand your opinion on the alleged cult control. I do. But I have always seen LDS families as generally happy ones, save for the few teens I met along the way who didn't want to be LDS but were. I am certainly no expert on the religion, but happiness and togetherness is what I see. Thats what I would not want to degrade.
Any religion can be called a cult IMO. Some dudes wrote a book, called it a bible, claimed it to be holy, and now billions of people follow its words. Cultish? Yes. But as silly as their actions seem to me, I would never want to take away the feeling they get from said actions.
Tolerance, it really isn't that hard.
Thank you.
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Re: IN OUR VIEW: Mormonism is no cult 9 Months ago
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JLD wrote:
Thank you.
No problem. It is my belief that the members of all the many religions can get along if they just accept that it is okay to be different.
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Re: IN OUR VIEW: Mormonism is no cult 9 Months ago
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Perfect Violation wrote:
JLD wrote:
Thank you.
No problem. It is my belief that the members of all the many religions can get along if they just accept that it is okay to be different.
Agreed.
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