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Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
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, Spencer W. Kimball did,


You have proof he was a bigot, then changed? Your a lieing prick Wren.


Dubbs is doing selective editing again. This puts it back into context: "But good-meaning bigots can change. Abraham Lincoln did, Spencer W. Kimball did, Reagan never did -- bigotry is hard to shake." Please note that Dubbs left out that SWK changed for the better in this area.

Read SWK's works, percy, and get back to me. He talks about how hard it was for him to overcome his Arizona LDS upbringing and the attitudes towards people of color. My friends and I, too, in St. George and Washington County had to overcome that bigotry, Dubbs. Didn't matter whether you were LDS or not in our area, and I guess it was the same where SWK grew up as well.

Blowing a fuse, huh, percy? Too funny.



Your claiming he was a bigot, then changed, do you have proof he was a bigot before 1978?

Didn't think so, so shut your yapper punk.


Then you know very little about SWK.
 
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Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
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The only part of that definition I never saw in Ronald Reagan was a tendency toward bigotry.

On the contrary, I have read accounts where for the era in which he was growing up as a boy and a young man, Reagan was unusual in his opposition to racial discrimination..


Yes, you are correct, and Bigdummy's claim's are wrong here also. Typical


"LOL" Dubbs do you even know what the word bigot means "LOL"

why do you think it just has to do with racial discrimination,

Ronald Reagan was a conservative, very conservative which means: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change, a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas, he was a member of a Conservative Party.

right there should tell you Ronald Reagan was a bigot...

look at the definition of bigot then look back what a conservative is:

bigot
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition


There's a difference between being opposed to somehting and that making you a bigot.

course your too dumb to understand this, I know it flew right over your head.


Again, show proof he was a bigot, or your just a slandering bumbling idiot.


If you are opposed to a good thing, then you are bigoted against it. Reagan had the federal civil rights' funding cut his entire administration.


Dosen't make him a bigot.

What other presidents voted against this? Are they bigots also?


Red herring. We are talking about RR. If you don't support the good, then you are a bigot.
 
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Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
Dubbs hates LDS people wrote:
Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
Dubbs hates LDS people wrote:
Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[b
The only part of that definition I never saw in Ronald Reagan was a tendency toward bigotry.

On the contrary, I have read accounts where for the era in which he was growing up as a boy and a young man, Reagan was unusual in his opposition to racial discrimination..


Yes, you are correct, and Bigdummy's claim's are wrong here also. Typical


"LOL" Dubbs do you even know what the word bigot means "LOL"

why do you think it just has to do with racial discrimination,

Ronald Reagan was a conservative, very conservative which means: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change, a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas, he was a member of a Conservative Party.

right there should tell you Ronald Reagan was a bigot...

look at the definition of bigot then look back what a conservative is:

bigot
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition


There's a difference between being opposed to somehting and that making you a bigot.

course your too dumb to understand this, I know it flew right over your head.


Again, show proof he was a bigot, or your just a slandering bumbling idiot.


"LOL" hey Dubbs I didn't make up the definition of bigot, I'm sorry if you don't like it but too bad,
I know you always think you are right but sorry dumbo you are not!!

But OK you want proof about Ronald Reagans bigotry, how about this, did you ever here how RR felt about hippies, he hated them, now this is a fact, they even made posters about it, here look at this one:


NOW TELL ME, was or wasn't he a bigot "LOL"

Reagan first began his civil service to famous, wealthy people as the president of the Screen Actors Guild in the 40's and 50's. Naturally, this made him a prime candidate for governor of California, which he won entirely on an anti-hippie, anti-hobo platform.


You've flip flopped your story from a racial bigot, to know he doens't like hippies, Your full of shit big.


Also I want to tell you something,
My ex-wifes Grandfather John Henry lived his last day's in Joshua Tree California in the Californian desert,
one time these black peoples car broke down and they were stuck out in the desert could not get their car fixed until the next day, so John Henry let them stay at his house, that's the same thing Ronald Reagan did... I don't see how this is proof that Ronald Reagan was not a racist!!!

You see John Henry was born in South Carolina and at one time was the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, he was a member of the Ku Klux Klan until his death, But he did the same as Reagan and had let black people stay at his house....!!!!

Hmmmm makes you wonder!!!!
 
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Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
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Here is a link to John Hamer's diagrams of the various temples of early and later Mormonism. Lyman Wight's temple on the Pedernales is not included.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/LDSTempleDiagram.gif


Huh? What does that have to do with this thread? Who's John hamar?


I thought you knew everything Percy?


Only logical things, that's why I never undertand your postings.

Your Mom tell you to go to bed yet and get off the porn sites?


Dubbs no one can read yours, because your spelling and grammar is so tearable "LOL"

Do you undertand "LOL" Your Mom tell you "LOL"
 
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Also Dubbs didyou know about this:

On 15 May 1969, Governor Ronald Reagan ordered armed police to carry out a dawn raid against hippie protesters who had occupied People's Park near the Berkeley campus of the University of California. During the subsequent battle, one man was shot dead and 128 other people needed hospital treatment.
On that day, the 'straight' world and the counter-culture appeared to be implacably opposed.
On one side of the barricades, Governor Reagan and his followers advocated unfettered private enterprise and supported the invasion of Vietnam. On the other side, the hippies championed a social revolution at home and opposed imperial expansion abroad. In the year of the raid on People's Park, it seemed that the historical choice between these two opposing visions of America's future could only be settled through violent conflict.



Yes, they were breaking the law, good for him. Doesn't make him a bigot.


Wrong Dubbs they were not breaking the Law!!!

It was a student demonstration at the Berkeley campus and University administrators allowed them to do it...They were not doing anything wrong Dubbs

Here read this:

During its first three weeks, People's Park was enjoyed and appreciated by University students and local residents alike. Telegraph Ave. merchants were particularly appreciative of the community's efforts to improve the neighborhood. Objections to the expropriation of University property tended to be mild, even among school administrators.

Governor Ronald Reagan had been publicly critical of University administrators for tolerating student demonstrations at the Berkeley campus, and he had received enormous popular support for his 1966 gubernatorial campaign promise to crack down on what was perceived as the generally lax attitude at California's public universities. Reagan called the Berkeley campus "a haven for communist sympathizers, protesters and sex deviants."

Reagan considered the creation of the park a direct leftist challenge to the property rights of the University, and he found in it an opportunity to make good on his campaign promise.

Governor Reagan overrode Chancellor Heyns' May 6, 1969 promise that nothing would be done without warning, and on Thursday, May 15, 1969 at 4:45 a.m., he sent 250 California Highway Patrol and Berkeley police officers into People's Park. The officers cleared an 8-block area around the park while a large section of what had been planted was destroyed and an 8-foot tall perimeter chain-link wire fence was installed to keep people out and to prevent the planting of more trees, grass, flowers and shrubs.

Beginning at noon, approximately 3,000 people appeared in Sproul Plaza at nearby U.C. Berkeley for a rally, the original purpose of which was to discuss the Arab-Israeli conflict. Several people spoke, then Michael Lerner ceded the Free Speech platform to ASUC Student Body President Dan Siegel because students were concerned about the fencing-off and destruction of the park. Siegel said later that he never intended to precipitate a riot; however when he shouted "Let's take back the park!," police turned off the sound system. This angered some people, and the crowd responded spontaneously, moving down Telegraph Avenue toward People's Park chanting "We want the park!"

Arriving in the early afternoon, the protestors were met by the remaining 159 Berkeley and University police officers assigned to guard the fenced-off park site. The protestors opened a fire hydrant, the officers fired tear gas canisters, some protestors attempted to tear down the fence, and bottles and rocks were thrown. A major confrontation ensued between law enforcement and the crowd. Initial attempts by the police to disperse the protestors were not successful, so more officers were called in from surrounding cities.

Reagan's Chief of Staff, Edwin Meese III, a former district attorney from Alameda County, had established a reputation for firm opposition to those protesting the Vietnam War at the Oakland Induction Center and elsewhere. Meese assumed responsibility for the governmental response to the People's Park protest, and he called in the Alameda County Sheriff's deputies, which brought the total police presence to 791 officers from various jurisdictions.

Under Meese's direction, the police were permitted to use whatever methods they chose against the crowds, which had swelled to approximately 6,000 people. Officers in full riot gear (helmets, shields and gas masks) obscured their badges to avoid being identified and headed into the crowds with nightsticks swinging.

The most aggressive were the Alameda County Sheriff's deputies-later dubbed "The Blue Meanies" who resorted to using shotguns loaded with "00" buckshot. "00" buckshot consists of lead pellets that are much larger, and thus more lethal, than the birdshot that is occasionally used for crowd control. The Alameda County Sheriff's deputies used shotguns to fire "00" buckshot at people sitting on the roof at the Telegraph Repertory Cinema, fatally wounding student James Rector and permanently blinding carpenter Alan Blanchard. Neither man was a protestor.

As the protestors retreated, the Alameda County Sheriff's deputies chased them several blocks down Telegraph Avenue as far as Willard Junior High School at Derby Street, firing tear gas canisters and "00" buckshot into their backs as they fled. At least one tear gas canister landed on the school grounds. Many people, including innocent bystanders, suffered permanent injuries, some with as many as a hundred lead pellet wounds in their scalps, necks, backs, buttocks and thighs. One man, John Willard, lived for years in intractable pain with lead pellets lodged near his spine.

At least 128 Berkeley citizens were admitted to local hospitals for head trauma, shotgun wounds, and other serious injuries inflicted by law enforcement. The actual number of seriously wounded was likely much higher, because many of the injured did not seek treatment at local hospitals to avoid being arrested. Many more protestors and bystanders were treated for minor injuries. Local hospital logs show that 19 police officers or Alameda County Sheriff's deputies were treated for minor injuries; none were hospitalized.

The authorities initially claimed that only birdshot had been used as shotgun ammunition. When physicians provided "00" pellets removed from the wounded as evidence that buckshot had been used, Sheriff Frank Madigan of Alameda County justified the use of shotguns loaded with lethal buckshot by stating "... the choice was essentially this: to use shotguns-because we didn't have the available manpower-or retreat and abandon the City of Berkeley to the mob." Sheriff Madigan did admit, however, that some of his deputies (many of whom were Vietnam War veterans) had been overly aggressive in their pursuit of the protestors, "as though they were Viet Cong."

Governor Reagan declared a state of emergency in Berkeley and sent in 2,700 National Guard troops- ironically some Guardsmen were students called to active duty. The Berkeley City Council voted 8-1 against the decision to occupy their city, however this vote was ignored. For two weeks the streets of Berkeley were barricaded with rolls of barbed wire, and freedom of assembly was denied as National Guard helicopters sprayed tear gas on anyone who gathered in more than small groups.

On Wednesday, May 21, 1969, a midday memorial was held for student James Rector at Sproul Plaza on the University campus. Rector had suffered massive internal injuries from his shotgun wounds, finally dying at Herrick Hospital on May 19. In his honor, several thousand people peacefully assembled to listen to speakers remembering his life. Without warning, National Guard troops surrounded Sproul Plaza, donned their gas masks, and pointed their bayonets inward, while helicopters dropped CS gas directly on the trapped crowd. No escape was possible, and the gas caused acute respiratory distress, disorientation, temporary blindness and vomiting. Many people, including children and the elderly, were injured during the ensuing panic. The gas was so intense that breezes carried it into Cowell Memorial Hospital, endangering patients, interrupting operations and incapacitating nurses. Students at nearby Jefferson and Franklin elementary schools were also affected.

During the Peoples Park incident, National Guard troops were stationed in front of Berkeley's empty lots to prevent protestors from planting flowers, shrubs or trees. Young hippie women taunted and teased the troops, on one occasion handing out marijuana-laced brownies and lemonade spiked with LSD. A few stripped to the waist and danced for the young recruits, who tried to hide their smiles from superiors. Citizens who dared ask questions of National Guard commanders, or engage them in debate, were threatened with violence.

A curfew was established, and protestors jumped fences after dark to plant flowers in the guarded lots. Guardsmen destroyed the flowers each morning. Some protestors, their faces hidden with scarves, challenged police and National Guard troops. Hundreds were arrested, and Berkeley citizens who found it necessary to venture out during curfew hours risked police harassment and beatings.

The battle lines were drawn, Flower Children versus The Establishment; the conflict mirrored widespread 1960s societal tensions that tended to flow along generational lines regarding the war in Vietnam, race relations, sexual mores, women's rights, traditional modes of authority, experimentation with psychedelic drugs and opposing interpretations of The American Dream.

In a University referendum held soon after, the U.C. Berkeley students themselves voted 12,719 to 2,175 in favor of keeping the park.

On May 30, 1969, 30,000 Berkeley citizens (out of a population of 100,000) secured a Berkeley city permit and marched without incident past barricaded People's Park to protest Governor Reagan's occupation of their city, the death of James Rector, the blinding of Alan Blanchard and the many injuries inflicted by law enforcement. Young girls slid flowers down the muzzles of bayonetted National Guard rifles, and a small airplane flew over the city trailing a banner that read, "Let A Thousand Parks Bloom."

Almost a year after 'Bloody Thursday' and the death of James Rector, addressing the California Council of Growers at Yosemite, Reagan defended his actions, saying: "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement." Less than a month later, on May 4, 1970, similar violence erupted at Kent State University, killing four students and seriously wounding nine.

No police officers, Alameda County Sheriff's deputies or National Guardsmen were disciplined for their actions in the Bloody Thursday incident.


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