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[b]A stalker uses the information at hand to perpetrate his crime.

I have not perpetrated any crimes, so if that is your definition of stalking, I have not done that by your own definition either.

And if your defintion of a stalker is repeating information given here, you are certainly as guilty.

No Percy...that is not my DEFINITION of a stalker.
You are certainly allowed to repeat whatever information you read on this forum.

But you have, by your OWN boasts and claims, taken steps to contact the FHC and report the actions of a participant of this forum in order that he might stand to lose his job.

It doesn't matter one iota that the person you reported doesn't exist...by your OWN claims you DID make the call.

You took active steps to perpetrate harm upon another member of this forum.

You make and keep detailed lists of what people say.

And you poke, prod, and pry into people's personal lives looking for anything you might be able to use against them.

You HAVE stated that you wished to know who my Bishop and Stake President were so that you could take steps to see to it that my temple recommend is revoked.

You HAVE stated that you were pretty sure you knew my true identity, and the name of my business.

You were either lying, which was the more likely case...or you took active steps to find me.

You ARE a stalker.

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although in hindsight I don't believe that this particular G.A. merited her special efforts,

And why would that be? Your attitude about the leaders is telling, and disgusting.

Would you allow a "leader" to humiliate your wife from the pulpit?

I doubt it happened as Jaye said, I have never seen nor heard of an Apostle publicly deriding someone from the pulpit, seems hard to believe, and considering the source, Mr. Negative anything LDS, I doubt it.

Some just look for the negative to have an excuse to stop going to church, my opinion.

There's a situation in my ward a lady got sick with a pretty serious situation, the ward and her home teachers pitched in and helped her out, meals, cleaning etc, she felt that was not enough and stopped coming to church over it. My son has since invited the child his age back to church and scouts, he has decided to come back, but the Mom doesn't realize her negative view is only hurting herself, and her son. This is why we are asked to not be easily offended, some are waaayyy to easily offended.

Yes, you do seem to get offended easily. You should work on that.

How do you know she felt that was not enough? Did she tell you? Or is it just a story from someone in the ward who thinks they know what is going on. You really should put an end to the gossip . . . that is probably what is keeping her from returning.

She told my wife, who is friends with her and does many things outside church with her. There really is no gossip about her, just pity she feels this one thing has kept her away from the gospel for well over 2 years and counting, our current Bishop tried to go to talk to her, she won't even talk to him, and he's new, there's no need for her to be mad at him. It's just stubborn pride at this point, she won't let us try to make it up to her, give us another chance.

She told your wife, your wife told you . . . ummm, hello . . . that is called gossip! good grief!
Nooooo, gossip would be someone besides the person it happened to telling my wife.

You are wrong, Wetmore. The second your wife told you, the story became gossip.

Shame on you!

and now Dubbs/Percy did more gossip and told us..!! "LOL"


"did more gossip" You sound like such a redneck.

I'm more of an old biker, BUT what do you think is wrong with rednecks Dubbs... Or is that you are just so stupid that you Stereotype people, I know a lot of rednecks and they are some good smart people, Ronald Reagan was a redneck....

Ronald Reagan was no redneck. He was a self made millioniare who rose clear to the highest office in the land. Look up redneck in the dictionary, and see your picture next to it.

Ronald Reagan was a football player. He owned a ranch...and I suppose it's slipped your mind that he ended up getting kicked in the head by his horse in Mexico. He was also a long term member of the NRA.

"President Reagan, the owner of an AR-15, was a strong and consistent supporter of the Second Amendment and the NRA. He was a long time member, joining NRA in December of 1972 and upgrading to Life Member in August of 1979. He actively courted the NRA`s endorsement in both of his presidential campaigns, and was the first presidential candidate in history to receive that endorsement. He appeared on the cover of NRA magazines four times. In 1983 he was offered, and accepted, an NRA Honorary Life Membership, the highest honor bestowed by the NRA.

He was the first, and to date, only, sitting president to speak at our Annual Meetings, and his remarks clearly illustrated his core support of the Second Amendment. Reagan told the cheering crowd that: "The NRA believes America"s laws were made to be obeyed and that our constitutional liberties are just as important today as 200 years ago. And by the way, the Constitution does not say Government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms. The Constitution says `the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.`"

Reagan felt at home before the assembled membership, saying "I`ve always felt a special bond with members of your group. You live by Lincoln`s words, `Important principles may and must be inflexible.` Your philosophy puts trust in people. . . . Good organizations don`t just happen. They take root in a body of shared beliefs. They flow from strong leadership, with vision, initiative and determination to reach great goals."

What makes you think that self made millionaires can't also be rednecks?


That's all well and good and all, but what that had to do with Bigdummy's accuasation that he was a redneck I don't know.


I found this quote to be completly bizaro, course that's Jaye, completly bizaro.

"and I suppose it's slipped your mind that he ended up getting kicked in the head by his horse in Mexico."


Why would it have slipped my mind about him getting kicked by a horse, In Mexico to boot? What did that even have to do with the conversation?

Just sit down, shut up and think about it for a while. It might come to you.


Ok, did so, still didn't come to me, care to explaiin your bizararo comment?

Work it out for yourself Percy. It'll do you good to sit still, shut your mouth and actually do some good, hard thinking.

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The only part of that definition I never saw in Ronald Reagan was a tendency toward bigotry.

On the contrary, I have read accounts where for the era in which he was growing up as a boy and a young man, Reagan was unusual in his opposition to racial discrimination..

Yes, you are correct, and Bigdummy's claim's are wrong here also. Typical

"LOL" Dubbs do you even know what the word bigot means "LOL"

why do you think it just has to do with racial discrimination,

Ronald Reagan was a conservative, very conservative which means: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change, a person who is reluctant to accept changes and new ideas, he was a member of a Conservative Party.

right there should tell you Ronald Reagan was a bigot...

look at the definition of bigot then look back what a conservative is:

bigot
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

There's a difference between being opposed to somehting and that making you a bigot.

course your too dumb to understand this, I know it flew right over your head.


Again, show proof he was a bigot, or your just a slandering bumbling idiot.

"LOL" hey Dubbs I didn't make up the definition of bigot, I'm sorry if you don't like it but too bad,
I know you always think you are right but sorry dumbo you are not!!

But OK you want proof about Ronald Reagans bigotry, how about this, did you ever here how RR felt about hippies, he hated them, now this is a fact, they even made posters about it, here look at this one:


NOW TELL ME, was or wasn't he a bigot "LOL"

Reagan first began his civil service to famous, wealthy people as the president of the Screen Actors Guild in the 40's and 50's. Naturally, this made him a prime candidate for governor of California, which he won entirely on an anti-hippie, anti-hobo platform.

You've flip flopped your story from a racial bigot, to know he doens't like hippies, Your full of shit big.

Also I want to tell you something,
My ex-wifes Grandfather John Henry lived his last day's in Joshua Tree California in the Californian desert,
one time these black peoples car broke down and they were stuck out in the desert could not get their car fixed until the next day, so John Henry let them stay at his house, that's the same thing Ronald Reagan did... I don't see how this is proof that Ronald Reagan was not a racist!!!

You see John Henry was born in South Carolina and at one time was the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, he was a member of the Ku Klux Klan until his death, But he did the same as Reagan and had let black people stay at his house....!!!!

Hmmmm makes you wonder!!!!

Huh, when did Ronald reagan let black people stay at his house?

So now your saying a Klu Klux Klan nutjob is similar to RR?


Wow, your nuts.


Go read Ronald Reagan History Dubbs, Oh wait you're too stupid to read up on things "LOL"

So here I get the part for you:

in Dixon when the local inn would not allow black people to stay there. Reagan brought them back to his house, where his mother invited them to stay the night and have breakfast the next morning.

If you want to read all of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan


I never said either one of them were nutjobs Dubbs!!

But they both invited black people to stay at their house. So I don't see how Ronald Reagan inviting black people to stay at his house proves he wasn't racist, if a man who was did the same thing....


So what's your point, was he racist or not?

By your silly definition of a redneck, we are all pretty much rednecks, mine being a little different than yours, RR not being one of them, he had class and was a distinguished gentlmen, certainly not any kind of redneck I see nor read about such as Jeff Foxworthy explains...


You might be a redneck, if you put a bar in your back yard lawn mower shed

You might be a redneck if you put a boxing ring in your back yard

You might be a redneck if you wear black biker tshirts to a formal picture setting.

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The LDS Church is a business, whether they will admit to it or not....

That's one way of looking at it, the more negative way, typical.

I look at it as I think most good believing LDS people do, as Gods kingdom on earth, we all contribute to the building up of Gods kingdom. There are areas of the kingdom that function as a business, yes, nobody deny's that. But I look at it in a more positive enlightened way, in that all of Gods funds are used to build Gods kingdom, and help others.

Nothing negative about it. Facts are facts. The LDS Church, like every other major religious organization...is a business. Plain and simple.


As I said, that is typical Jaye negativity, I look at it in a more enlightened way, and a way I think most LDS people look at it.

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Allow me to clarify something here bub.

1. YOU HAVE NEVER MET MY WIFE. YOU HAVE NEVER SPOKEN WITH MY WIFE. YOU HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING ON THIS FORUM WITH MY WIFE.


Don't need to, I'm going off of what you say about her and her dealings with people. In this case tattling to church headquarters over a matter she suppposedly wasn't mad at When it was an issue according to your ever growing story that was worked out with the stake president, should have not HAD to go any further.

In your opinion, why shouldn't it have gone further? Does a Stake President have the capacity to call the behavior of a GA into question? How will he learn from his mistake if he isn't showed where he erred?

Anyone who publicly humiliates someone for no good reason doesn't deserve to have authority over people. I mean, seriously, it was piano and/or organ music. Why did the GA even bring it up? Were there people dancing around or rolling on the floor to the music in the Chapel?

Again, we're hearing one side of the story, I doubt it happened the way it did, if it did, then yes I would think a letter to the proper authorities would be in order.

It did happen...a letter and a phone call to the proper authorities was in order (and THAT according to our Stake President)...and it all happened a very long time ago.

And that's all you need to know about that.

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The LDS Church is a business, whether they will admit to it or not....

That's one way of looking at it, the more negative way, typical.

I look at it as I think most good believing LDS people do, as Gods kingdom on earth, we all contribute to the building up of Gods kingdom. There are areas of the kingdom that function as a business, yes, nobody deny's that. But I look at it in a more positive enlightened way, in that all of Gods funds are used to build Gods kingdom, and help others.

Nothing negative about it. Facts are facts. The LDS Church, like every other major religious organization...is a business. Plain and simple.


As I said, that is typical Jaye negativity, I look at it in a more enlightened way, and a way I think most LDS people look at it.

That's only because you've got a galloping case of 'T.B.' Percy.

When I state that the LDS Church, and other major religious organizations are businesses...this is not a negative thing.

And it is not necessarily a bad thing. It just is what it is.