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Dubbs (User)
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 6 Months ago
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But you have, by your OWN boasts and claims, taken steps to contact the FHC and report the actions of a participant of this forum in order that he might stand to lose his job.
I've also said I didn't actually make the call, but did so to scare the person who was stalking me. Wren.
You took active steps to perpetrate harm upon another member of this forum.
Nope, selective memory on your part, I never made the call
You HAVE stated that you wished to know who my Bishop and Stake President were so that you could take steps to see to it that my temple recommend is revoked.
As have you and Wren made similar comments about contacting church headquarters or my preisthood leaders.
You HAVE stated that you were pretty sure you knew my true identity, and the name of my business.
Yea, so, that is not stalking, just did a google search for things you've said here, nothing wrong nor illegal about that.
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Jaye wrote:Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
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although in hindsight I don't believe that this particular G.A. merited her special efforts,
And why would that be?  Your attitude about the leaders is telling, and disgusting.
Would you allow a "leader" to humiliate your wife from the pulpit? 
I doubt it happened as Jaye said, I have never seen nor heard of an Apostle publicly deriding someone from the pulpit, seems hard to believe, and considering the source, Mr. Negative anything LDS, I doubt it.
Some just look for the negative to have an excuse to stop going to church, my opinion.
There's a situation in my ward a lady got sick with a pretty serious situation, the ward and her home teachers pitched in and helped her out, meals, cleaning etc, she felt that was not enough and stopped coming to church over it. My son has since invited the child his age back to church and scouts, he has decided to come back, but the Mom doesn't realize her negative view is only hurting herself, and her son. This is why we are asked to not be easily offended, some are waaayyy to easily offended.
Yes, you do seem to get offended easily. You should work on that.
How do you know she felt that was not enough? Did she tell you? Or is it just a story from someone in the ward who thinks they know what is going on. You really should put an end to the gossip . . . that is probably what is keeping her from returning.
She told my wife, who is friends with her and does many things outside church with her. There really is no gossip about her, just pity she feels this one thing has kept her away from the gospel for well over 2 years and counting, our current Bishop tried to go to talk to her, she won't even talk to him, and he's new, there's no need for her to be mad at him. It's just stubborn pride at this point, she won't let us try to make it up to her, give us another chance.
She told your wife, your wife told you . . . ummm, hello . . . that is called gossip! good grief!
Nooooo, gossip would be someone besides the person it happened to telling my wife.
You are wrong, Wetmore. The second your wife told you, the story became gossip.
Shame on you!
and now Dubbs/Percy did more gossip and told us..!! "LOL"
"did more gossip"  You sound like such a redneck.
I'm more of an old biker, BUT what do you think is wrong with rednecks Dubbs... Or is that you are just so stupid that you Stereotype people, I know a lot of rednecks and they are some good smart people, Ronald Reagan was a redneck....
Ronald Reagan was no redneck. He was a self made millioniare who rose clear to the highest office in the land. Look up redneck in the dictionary, and see your picture next to it.
Ronald Reagan was a football player. He owned a ranch...and I suppose it's slipped your mind that he ended up getting kicked in the head by his horse in Mexico. He was also a long term member of the NRA.
"President Reagan, the owner of an AR-15, was a strong and consistent supporter of the Second Amendment and the NRA. He was a long time member, joining NRA in December of 1972 and upgrading to Life Member in August of 1979. He actively courted the NRA`s endorsement in both of his presidential campaigns, and was the first presidential candidate in history to receive that endorsement. He appeared on the cover of NRA magazines four times. In 1983 he was offered, and accepted, an NRA Honorary Life Membership, the highest honor bestowed by the NRA.
He was the first, and to date, only, sitting president to speak at our Annual Meetings, and his remarks clearly illustrated his core support of the Second Amendment. Reagan told the cheering crowd that: "The NRA believes America"s laws were made to be obeyed and that our constitutional liberties are just as important today as 200 years ago. And by the way, the Constitution does not say Government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms. The Constitution says `the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.`"
Reagan felt at home before the assembled membership, saying "I`ve always felt a special bond with members of your group. You live by Lincoln`s words, `Important principles may and must be inflexible.` Your philosophy puts trust in people. . . . Good organizations don`t just happen. They take root in a body of shared beliefs. They flow from strong leadership, with vision, initiative and determination to reach great goals."
What makes you think that self made millionaires can't also be rednecks?
That's all well and good and all, but what that had to do with Bigdummy's accuasation that he was a redneck I don't know.
I found this quote to be completly bizaro, course that's Jaye, completly bizaro.
"and I suppose it's slipped your mind that he ended up getting kicked in the head by his horse in Mexico."
Why would it have slipped my mind about him getting kicked by a horse, In Mexico to boot? What did that even have to do with the conversation?
Just sit down, shut up and think about it for a while. It might come to you.
Ok, did so, still didn't come to me, care to explaiin your bizararo comment?
Work it out for yourself Percy. It'll do you good to sit still, shut your mouth and actually do some good, hard thinking. Got caught with no explaination in a strange, bizare, and creepy comment that had nothing to do with anything here. Weird.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 6 Months ago
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Jaye wrote:Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
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Allow me to clarify something here bub.
1. YOU HAVE NEVER MET MY WIFE. YOU HAVE NEVER SPOKEN WITH MY WIFE. YOU HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING ON THIS FORUM WITH MY WIFE.
Don't need to, I'm going off of what you say about her and her dealings with people. In this case tattling to church headquarters over a matter she suppposedly wasn't mad at When it was an issue according to your ever growing story that was worked out with the stake president, should have not HAD to go any further.
In your opinion, why shouldn't it have gone further? Does a Stake President have the capacity to call the behavior of a GA into question? How will he learn from his mistake if he isn't showed where he erred?
Anyone who publicly humiliates someone for no good reason doesn't deserve to have authority over people. I mean, seriously, it was piano and/or organ music. Why did the GA even bring it up? Were there people dancing around or rolling on the floor to the music in the Chapel?
Again, we're hearing one side of the story, I doubt it happened the way it did, if it did, then yes I would think a letter to the proper authorities would be in order.
It did happen...a letter and a phone call to the proper authorities was in order (and THAT according to our Stake President)...and it all happened a very long time ago.
And that's all you need to know about that.One side of the story, I'd love to hear the other.
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Jaye wrote:
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The LDS Church is a business, whether they will admit to it or not....
That's one way of looking at it, the more negative way, typical.
I look at it as I think most good believing LDS people do, as Gods kingdom on earth, we all contribute to the building up of Gods kingdom. There are areas of the kingdom that function as a business, yes, nobody deny's that. But I look at it in a more positive enlightened way, in that all of Gods funds are used to build Gods kingdom, and help others.
Nothing negative about it. Facts are facts. The LDS Church, like every other major religious organization...is a business. Plain and simple.
As I said, that is typical Jaye negativity, I look at it in a more enlightened way, and a way I think most LDS people look at it.
That's only because you've got a galloping case of 'T.B.' Percy.
When I state that the LDS Church, and other major religious organizations are businesses...this is not a negative thing.
And it is not necessarily a bad thing. It just is what it is.
I would seperate "the church" from the arms of the church that are business, as legal definitions also back up by having taxes charged to business, but churches are not charged taxes.
To me there is a difference between Gods kingdom on earth, and a business. I know you don't see it that way, and have said the Prophets are misusing tithing money, I disagree, and just another example of your negative attitude about anything LDS, or it's leaders.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 6 Months ago
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Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
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, Spencer W. Kimball did,
You have proof he was a bigot, then changed? Your a lieing prick Wren.
Dubbs is doing selective editing again. This puts it back into context: "But good-meaning bigots can change. Abraham Lincoln did, Spencer W. Kimball did, Reagan never did -- bigotry is hard to shake." Please note that Dubbs left out that SWK changed for the better in this area.
Read SWK's works, percy, and get back to me. He talks about how hard it was for him to overcome his Arizona LDS upbringing and the attitudes towards people of color. My friends and I, too, in St. George and Washington County had to overcome that bigotry, Dubbs. Didn't matter whether you were LDS or not in our area, and I guess it was the same where SWK grew up as well.
Blowing a fuse, huh, percy? Too funny.
Your claiming he was a bigot, then changed, do you have proof he was a bigot before 1978?
Didn't think so, so shut your yapper punk.
Then you know very little about SWK.
Show the evidence then.
It's in his own words in the histories about him. Go look them up yourself.
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Dubbs Kitkats favorite wrote:
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The LDS Church is a business, whether they will admit to it or not....
That's one way of looking at it, the more negative way, typical.
I look at it as I think most good believing LDS people do, as Gods kingdom on earth, we all contribute to the building up of Gods kingdom. There are areas of the kingdom that function as a business, yes, nobody deny's that. But I look at it in a more positive enlightened way, in that all of Gods funds are used to build Gods kingdom, and help others.
Nothing negative about it. Facts are facts. The LDS Church, like every other major religious organization...is a business. Plain and simple.
As I said, that is typical Jaye negativity, I look at it in a more enlightened way, and a way I think most LDS people look at it.
Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.
There is no "more enlightened way" to look at it.
You don't speak for any LDS person other than yourself, because you are not called to do so.
The LDS Church is a business.
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