bearyb wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[b...many staunch and life-long members of the Church stood up and walked out upon hearing the edict announced at the pulpit, and many withdrew their membership..

YOu say this alot, do you have proof of this? Do you know how many came back after comeing to their sense and realizing this is a Prophet led church and we will have change with this Prophet led sitation?

The journals and memoirs in both the LDS and CoC archives are full of the stories of those leaving the LDS church and its apostate leader, BY. Very few came back. How do I know tht? Because your church has no figures of how many came back it wishes to share, because if the size were numerous, it would have been published long ago.

The generally accepted numbers is just slightly more 50% followed BY and the LDS, and almost 50% said to hell with them.


We're talking about those who left (supposedly) when the Prophet announced Blacks can hold the Priesthood.

A parallel example only, Dubbs.

Here in the South upwards of 90% of some of the wards and 50% of some of the stakes left the LDS church and never returned. Any southern LDS here on the forum can attest to that personally.




Where I lived, and my stake and the surrounding stakes were huge, I didn't see any problems with the members leaving the church. That's not to say some members weren't set back on their heels for a time, but they never stopped attending church and never doubted the Prophet's words. Those stats seem high, in my opinion, because 90% of a ward leaving the church would wipe out priesthood leadership and the area would have to be closed, as the membership outside of Utah does not all live in the same block. Did that happen?
Not that I'm aware of. It would seem that such a dramatic shift in membership of an organization as prominent as the Church would have been the subject of at least some coverage in the press.

I wonder if Wren could supply any such examples...

The examples are only anecdotal, my own witness and those told to me by others. In rural parts of Texas, Mississippi, and Georgia, wards and branches had to be reoganized, leadership shifted to meet holes, and some leaders disciplined. One Branch President in Mississippi stated he would fill in the baptismal font before n-words were baptized in it. I gather he was sanctioned, recanted, and was received into fellowship again.

In my town, there were some internal problems in the Ward, but the extent is no longer known and not discussed.

That's a mischaracterization and you know it, Bearyb. You normally play fair. Decaf, because he is so unsure of his faith, plays dirty. I don't expect that of you. I am not a Rationalist or a Deist. I believe that Christ rose from the dead, and I cannot quantify that, of course. But that is only for me, and can't be transferred to anyone else. Reason has its role, particularly in the investigation of claims, and there I believe it does much good.

Wren wrote:
bearyb wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[b...many staunch and life-long members of the Church stood up and walked out upon hearing the edict announced at the pulpit, and many withdrew their membership..

YOu say this alot, do you have proof of this? Do you know how many came back after comeing to their sense and realizing this is a Prophet led church and we will have change with this Prophet led sitation?

The journals and memoirs in both the LDS and CoC archives are full of the stories of those leaving the LDS church and its apostate leader, BY. Very few came back. How do I know tht? Because your church has no figures of how many came back it wishes to share, because if the size were numerous, it would have been published long ago.

The generally accepted numbers is just slightly more 50% followed BY and the LDS, and almost 50% said to hell with them.


We're talking about those who left (supposedly) when the Prophet announced Blacks can hold the Priesthood.

A parallel example only, Dubbs.

Here in the South upwards of 90% of some of the wards and 50% of some of the stakes left the LDS church and never returned. Any southern LDS here on the forum can attest to that personally.




Where I lived, and my stake and the surrounding stakes were huge, I didn't see any problems with the members leaving the church. That's not to say some members weren't set back on their heels for a time, but they never stopped attending church and never doubted the Prophet's words. Those stats seem high, in my opinion, because 90% of a ward leaving the church would wipe out priesthood leadership and the area would have to be closed, as the membership outside of Utah does not all live in the same block. Did that happen?
Not that I'm aware of. It would seem that such a dramatic shift in membership of an organization as prominent as the Church would have been the subject of at least some coverage in the press.

I wonder if Wren could supply any such examples...

The examples are only anecdotal, my own witness and those told to me by others. In rural parts of Texas, Mississippi, and Georgia, wards and branches had to be reoganized, leadership shifted to meet holes, and some leaders disciplined. One Branch President in Mississippi stated he would fill in the baptismal font before n-words were baptized in it. I gather he was sanctioned, recanted, and was received into fellowship again.

In my town, there were some internal problems in the Ward, but the extent is no longer known and not discussed.


What ward are you a member of??

Wren wrote:
That's a mischaracterization and you know it, Bearyb. You normally play fair. Decaf, because he is so unsure of his faith, plays dirty. I don't expect that of you. I am not a Rationalist or a Deist. I believe that Christ rose from the dead, and I cannot quantify that, of course. But that is only for me, and can't be transferred to anyone else. Reason has its role, particularly in the investigation of claims, and there I believe it does much good.

Huh? Your overthinking your attempt to appear educated, speak in simple English professor, it will make your attempts to communicate easier in your life.

bearyb wrote:
Wren wrote:
I have done a good morning's work here with apostates such as Dubbs and Decaf, who clearly have not the Spirit in Christ in them.
How good can your work with anyone have been if, in your estimation, they do not have the Spirit of Christ in them?

I doubt he's ever used this techique to bring people to Christ, they'd run the other way with his beliefs.

Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
bearyb wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[b...many staunch and life-long members of the Church stood up and walked out upon hearing the edict announced at the pulpit, and many withdrew their membership..

YOu say this alot, do you have proof of this? Do you know how many came back after comeing to their sense and realizing this is a Prophet led church and we will have change with this Prophet led sitation?

The journals and memoirs in both the LDS and CoC archives are full of the stories of those leaving the LDS church and its apostate leader, BY. Very few came back. How do I know tht? Because your church has no figures of how many came back it wishes to share, because if the size were numerous, it would have been published long ago.

The generally accepted numbers is just slightly more 50% followed BY and the LDS, and almost 50% said to hell with them.


We're talking about those who left (supposedly) when the Prophet announced Blacks can hold the Priesthood.

A parallel example only, Dubbs.

Here in the South upwards of 90% of some of the wards and 50% of some of the stakes left the LDS church and never returned. Any southern LDS here on the forum can attest to that personally.




Where I lived, and my stake and the surrounding stakes were huge, I didn't see any problems with the members leaving the church. That's not to say some members weren't set back on their heels for a time, but they never stopped attending church and never doubted the Prophet's words. Those stats seem high, in my opinion, because 90% of a ward leaving the church would wipe out priesthood leadership and the area would have to be closed, as the membership outside of Utah does not all live in the same block. Did that happen?
Not that I'm aware of. It would seem that such a dramatic shift in membership of an organization as prominent as the Church would have been the subject of at least some coverage in the press.

I wonder if Wren could supply any such examples...

The examples are only anecdotal, my own witness and those told to me by others. In rural parts of Texas, Mississippi, and Georgia, wards and branches had to be reoganized, leadership shifted to meet holes, and some leaders disciplined. One Branch President in Mississippi stated he would fill in the baptismal font before n-words were baptized in it. I gather he was sanctioned, recanted, and was received into fellowship again.

In my town, there were some internal problems in the Ward, but the extent is no longer known and not discussed.


What ward are you a member of??

Hey Percy the "Anti Mormons" are impressed with your work. They're wondering if you'd be willing to sign on full time with them.