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Dubss wrote:KitKat wrote:
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Dubs, you have an inflated sense of self-worth. You seem to think you're some kind of macho man. LOL..
I, and I bet most others, do not believe one darn thing you claim to be. Karate champ? Nope. Millionare? Nope. Former Bishop? Definitely not! And I do believe you are the exact same bully in real life that you are on this forum. We all see right thru you. You are unable to take advice, even when it is good advice and offered sincerely. All your posts are argumentative, loaded with name calling. You simply are not a nice person. Give it up.
Yea, we've heard it before kitkat, get a new topic to say you don't believe me on. I get it.
I guess I have to keep saying I could care less if anyone believes me on anything I say here, you will never meet me, see me, or know the real me.
Get a new poster to follow around, quit obesseing on me, My wife might get jealous. 
It's quite telling that you did not refute anything I said.
You want to hash through all that again?  I've already said all those things many times, I don't think I need to let the obsessive one obsess over that AGAIN. Take your meds for that OCD.You either live in an imaginary world, or you have a very distorted view of reality.
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Dubss wrote:KitKat wrote:
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Dubs, you have an inflated sense of self-worth. You seem to think you're some kind of macho man. LOL..
I, and I bet most others, do not believe one darn thing you claim to be. Karate champ? Nope. Millionare? Nope. Former Bishop? Definitely not! And I do believe you are the exact same bully in real life that you are on this forum. We all see right thru you. You are unable to take advice, even when it is good advice and offered sincerely. All your posts are argumentative, loaded with name calling. You simply are not a nice person. Give it up.
Yea, we've heard it before kitkat, get a new topic to say you don't believe me on. I get it.
I guess I have to keep saying I could care less if anyone believes me on anything I say here, you will never meet me, see me, or know the real me.
Get a new poster to follow around, quit obesseing on me, My wife might get jealous.
It's quite telling that you did not refute anything I said.
You want to hash through all that again? I've already said all those things many times, I don't think I need to let the obsessive one obsess over that AGAIN. Take your meds for that OCD.Dubss is unable to refute almost anything.
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Dubss wrote:KitKat wrote:
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Bearyb wrote, "My only point here is to simply say that we don't know the mind of the Lord, nor how He may choose to deal with whom He chooses to deal with. We will likely never know or fully understand what Joseph knew and understood, and we should probably not concentrate on the faults of others in any case."
This is great advice. I suggest that you will "likely never know or fully understand what Jaye" knows or understands. Leave it alone, please, Bearyb, and follow your own advice.Nor do you, or anybody fully understand Jaye, becuase much like you and many of your ilk, your ready and able to bash other's faith, but when it comes to discussing your own? Bunch of cowards.
Are you describing yourelf, Dubss? This is not about Jaye at all. It's about you and how you feel about yourself.
And how do I feel about myself oh wiseone? I have a great family, 3 kids, great wife, 15 years of marriage, great job, live in a great house, go on great vacations, have many good friends, feel great about myself, as we all do, I sometimes make mistakes, and need to repent, but overall, I feel great about myself. My life is great, but thanks for the concern.
LOL!
You little liar! No one believes you.
Don't forget, you also claimed to be some kind of karate champ with a 29-0 record. Bigdaddy proved that was a lie.
And as I've said many times, unlike you, I could care less what strangers on a blog believe or disbelieve about me. You will never meet me, never see me, never know the real me. Nor do you really know anyone here.
And how did Bigdummy prove anything I've said is a lie?
He called the UFC folks to check on a 29-0 record. He was told no one has it. Liar.
Unsubstantiated claims like this characterize borderline personalities.
How do you know it's unsubstantiated? Did you call? Or are you believing a guy who is a liar himself?
By the way, I'm not buying that your new here, your just a reincarnated nut job that probally got banned and is coming back around, probally a single cat lady that likes her cats more than reality. I see that alot.
You are so arrogant that it is sickening. And disgusting.
You made some comments in the past concerning hearing impairment. You didn't even realize that deaf people has language problems, yet you say your daughter is deaf. You lie!
Is it not possible that being new to the culture, I didn't know? I mean I have only been learning sign for about a year and a half, my daughter is four, and I have about the same level of sign as she does, my wife is taking sign classes to catch up to her, she now has a signing aide at her preschool, and is passing us up, so excuse me if I didn't know all the details of the deaf community.
This post just further convinced me I'm right. Besides, other things you have said in the past raised a flag with me.
I'm not even talking about sign language skills, dubya.
You are dense, as you yourself would say.
Well you sure can see his lack of empathy of deaf people.. and that's strange for someone who says that their little daughter is deaf....
Poor little mite...eh?
But you know what Kent says about it...he's not the same in real life as he is here.
I wonder if he even gets off his butt to go tuck the little tyke into bed and give her hugs and kisses?
And with all the posts you have here, I wonder if your wife even knows who you are.
And bigdummy, I have never had lack of empathy to deaf people you POSWT, get your facts straight for once and stop lieing and making stuff up.
My wife knows who I am. She's had a little over 34 years to get to know me, and she knows me better than any other human being has ever known me.
I can say with utter confidence that she knows me better than ANYONE...period...save perhaps for myself...and the Lord.
But the fact remains...my wife is an adult, she is not hearing impaired, and she has her own business and activities to attend to.
I do feel sorry for your children Dubya...because you do spend an inordinate amount of time arguing on this forum, which might better be spent with them.
They tend to grow up pretty quickly, Dubya. And the time rapidly comes where youngsters who are neglected by their father seek their role-models and mentoring elsewhere.
Think about it. I'm truly not trying to be rude here. I'm genuinely concerned. Especially regarding a 4 year old girl who is hearing impaired, and for whom the world must be a truly perplexing and frustrating place.
And I feel sorry for your wife, with the amount of posts you have here and the amount of time, never seemingly ever being gone from this site for a few days even, you must never take vacations, never see her much, she must always just see the back of your head typing away maddenly on the computer.
Straighten out your own life Jaye, don't worry about me or my kids, and don't bring them up.
1. You brought up your kids in the first place Kent...not me.
2. My life's pretty straight.
3. My wife is a busy woman...like I said...she has her own business to attend to. She also has her friends, her women's circles and she has also been spending quite a bit of time giving comfort to a couple of friends who are terminally ill.
Consider my words regarding your daughter. I meant well.
Sounds like you both have your seperate worlds apart from each other. mmmmm
Quit trying to be the all wise clifford clavin, and worry about your own life/wife.
Man I can see Dubss now breaking the arm of a long haired hippy for talking too loud in a movie theater,
Only to find out later when he gets to heavens Gates that the long haired hippy was Jesus and he was trying to talk to others about God that day in the theater 
Dubss you can't tell when others are trying to be nice or do good....
Your about as illogical as a brick wall.
I seriously doubt Christ would have walked into a crowded theator, interupted people who have paid money to watch a show, be as rude to interupt, and be so insensitive and rude. What a tard.
No, Christ wouldn't have. But then, would He have resorted to violence the way you did (or claim to, at least)?
Please don't use the word "tard". It really isn't very nice.
I believe Christ would have defended himself if someone put their hands on him, yes. With the exception of the martydom, which he undestood was to happen.
Christ taught to return good for evil, kindness for unkindness, and that if a man strikes you on the cheek...offer him the other cheek to strike as well.
According to the Bible, Jesus never lifted a finger to defend Himself.
But He did, on occasion, simply vanish amid the press of the crowd.
Wasn't it you who just said he protected what was his in the temple? Physically throwing people out? I don't look at him as someone who would allow a person to push him around.
So you think Christ would break someone's arm just for having a big mouth? As I said, you say anything to justify your own behavior.
I think if someone was pushing him and acting in a threatening manner, he would grab the arm and stop it, yes. As I said in the past, I don't know that I broke his arm, but I did hurt it, as I've also said, I was defending myself, so is it my fault if his arm was hurt? No, it's not.
1. Throughout the 4 gospels there is no mention of Jesus ever lifting a finger in His OWN defense.
And that includes when He was taken at the Garden of Gethsemane, when they grabbed Him so roughly, and spit upon Him, and struck his face... He never lifted a finger.
Peter on the other hand resorted to physical violence and smote the ear off the scribe with his sword.
But Jesus? No. He simply picked up the man's ear, and placed it back upon his head.
He never so much as uttered the slightest word of reproach as He was tried, and sentenced to the torture of scourging, and placed a crown of thorns upon His brow.
2. As far as who was at fault at the theater...you were at fault for injuring the man. You were the one who made the choice to approach the man, and to reproach him by telling him to shut up.
If you had not opened your big mouth...the man would not have gotten in your face...and you would not have been in the position to physically harm another person. And you wouldn't have placed your wife in harm's way either.
Better to leave the theater, and ask for a refund, or inform the manager that a patron is being noisy and ruining the picture for everyone else.
Most martial arts masters worth their salt would say...the best defense...is not being there.
3. The very fact that you took it upon yourself to confront the man and tell him off is a very good indication that you ARE exactly the same in 'real life' as you are here on the forum.
I guess that's the difference between you and me, I don't shirk and hide like a cowardly lion wussy.
The differences between thee and me are vast, indeed Kent...and much like the difference between the darkest, stormiest night...and the brightest, sunniest day.
You see...unlike you...I don't go around in life with a chip on my shoulder, just spoiling for a fight.
Unlike you...I don't seek out opportunities to hurt people.
And especially unlike you...I would never place my wife at risk of physical harm by taking it upon myself to be confrontational, and picking a fight for no good reason at all.
It is not cowardly to utilize common sense. There are certain times when a fight cannot be avoided. But there ARE times when a fight can be avoided simply by keeping your big mouth shut.
I get it, your a weak, coward. got it.
And you're a mindless bully with more brawn than brains. Got it.
I believe it takes more strength to walk away than to fight. So that says quite a bit about you, doesn't it? You're not a very peaceful person, are you?
So let me get this straight, you have never asked someone to please lower there voice or please not smoke or please stop interupting in your WHOLE life?
To me that's a gutless person.
Yes, I have. Most complied with my request (or my husbands). If not, I get up and walk away. If a place allows smoking, I don't go there. What does fighting prove? Not one damn thing, except that you have a temper.
WHOLE life? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? Going to a movie is your WHOLE LIFE?
And what if that person started screaming and pushing you? Like I said, that's the difference between me and a gutless coward, I don't allow myself to be pushed around.It's never happened to me. You probably provoked the guy into screaming and pushing. I don't do that. I ask politely and they comply with an "I'm sorry" most of the time. But never has anyone "gone off" on me. Not ever.
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Dubss wrote:Prove it.
That you are a liar has been proven, not only on the Todd Compton matter but on many other ones.
This discussion is over.
Again, prove it, or you will be show a satanic fundo.
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Dubss wrote:
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Dubss wrote:Prove it.
That you are a liar has been proven, not only on the Todd Compton matter but on many other ones.
This discussion is over.
Again, prove it, or you will be show a satanic fundo.
Bad grammar!! Do you even proof read your posts before you hit "submit"?
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Dubss wrote:Just Reading wrote:
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Do you suppose that all dissenters against the Mormon faith were Mormons?
By definition, a dissenter is someone who leaves the faith because of disbelief. so yes.
Dubss that's not true!!
dis-sent-er
One who dissents: political dissenters.
often Dissenter One who refuses to accept the doctrines or usages of an established or a national church.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
It's not necessarily a person who was a member of a church it could be just someone or anyone for that matter who just refuses to accept the doctrines of any church..
So now your saying the church went around killing NON mormons just because they wouldn't believe? If that were the case we'd have quite a story and journal and newspaper articles verify this to be the case.
Not necessarily true.
A prime example is what happened to the Expositor.
Printing presses can be easily destroyed, and the dissenters writing the dissenting articles can easily be cowed into silence, or into packing up and leaving, or else they simply disappear one dark night.
And those who decided to leave could easily be tracked down and murdered in their sleeping roll at their campsite.
The members who were not so zealous as to actually condone these actions were easily discouraged from talking about it. Fear of reprisal is a powerful motivation.
John D.Lee spoke of knowing of many a man who was 'used up' or 'put quietly out of the way'.
So did others involved with the Danites.
The wilderness was vast Dubya. Lots of places to hide bodies where they'd never be found. And the Danites were cunning in their service to the Church, and in carrying out their assigned assassinations.
As for relatives of men who mysteriously disappeared...they probably figured they had met up with Indians.
That was the common tale put out by Mormons after all...the Indians did it.
And the Mormons controlled everything in those communities. It's not like as if a dissenting member, or gentile was going to get damning evidence or tales through to their relatives via the postal service.
Yes this is true Dubss!!
Here is a example of the church telling the relatives to keep their mouth shut
Look at the murder of Rosmos Anderson (BTW Here's another Name I found for you Dubss) a Mormon Council voted that Anderson must die for violating his covenants.
His wife was ordered to prepare a suit of clean clothing, in which to have her husband buried, and was informed that he was to be killed for his sins, she being directed to tell those who should enquire after her husband that he had gone to California.
Klingensmith, James Haslem, Daniel McFarland and John M. Higbee dug a grave in the field near Cedar City, Anderson knelt upon the side of the grave and prayed.
Klingensmith and his company then cut Anderson's throat from ear to ear and held him so that his blood ran into the grave.
As soon as he was dead they dressed him in his clean clothes, threw him into the grave and buried him.
They then carried his bloody clothing back to his family, and gave them to his wife to wash, when she was again instructed to say that her husband was in California .... The killing of Anderson was then considered a religious duty and a just act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Atonement
See Dubss!!
"ON A SPECIAL NOTE":
Who were Klingensmith, James Haslem, Daniel McFarland and John M. Higbee who dug Rosmos Andersons Grave and Killed him??
Well let's see:
Klingensmith or Philip K. Smith, as he is called generally, but whose name is Klingensmith, was the Bishop of Cedar City but he is more famous for his role in the Mountain Meadows Massacre
James Haslem was the famous Rider who was sent to Brigham Young from the Mountain Meadows Massacre and was sent back with that Note from Brigham saying let the emigrants pass in safety""
Daniel McFarland was the son-in-law of Isaac C. Haight ecclesiastical leader of the Mormon congregations in the area, Daniel McFarland was also famous for his role in the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
John M. Higbee was the Major and commander of the Iron Militia,
John M. Higbee was the ranking officer and field commander of the detachment at the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Here's a little of what John D. Lee had to say about John M. Higbee and Klingensmith:
( "at Mountain Meadows" )
I found Major Higbee, Klingensmith. and most of the brethren standing near by where the largest number of the dead men lay.
When I went up to the brethren,
Major Higbee said, "We must now examine the bodies for valuables."
I said, I did not wish to do any such work.
Higbee then said, "Well, you hold my hat and I will examine the bodies, and put what valuables I get into the hat."
The bodies were all searched by Higbee, Klingensmith and Wm. C. Stewart.
I did hold the hat a while, but I soon got so sick that I had to give it to some other person, as I was unable to stand for a few minutes.
The search resulted in getting a little money and a few watches, but there was not much money.
Higbee and Klingensmith kept the property, I suppose, for I never knew what became of it, unless they did keep it.
I think they kept it all.
From The Life and Confessions of John D. Lee
Written by John D. Lee, May 17, 1877
this is what John D. Lee had to say about James Haslem:
"I did not know then that a messenger had been sent to Brigham Young for instructions.
Haight had not mentioned it to me.
I now think that James Haslem was sent to Brigham Young, as a sharp play on the part of the
authorities to protect themselves, if trouble ever grew out of the matter."
John D. Lee also had this to say about James Haslem:
"The first time I heard that a messenger had been sent to Brigham Young for instructions as to what should be done with the emigrants, was three or four days after I had returned home from the Meadows.
Then I heard of it from Isaac C. Haight, when he came to my house and had a talk with me.
He said: "we are all in a muddle.
Haslem has returned from Salt Lake City, with orders from Brigham Young to let the emigrants pass in safety""
From The Life and Confessions of John D. Lee
Written by John D. Lee, May 17, 1877
And this has to do with this conversation how?
Mountain Meadows has been hashed here to death. The events at Mountain Meadows, and the men who perpetrated these events has EVERYTHING to do with this conversation. Because Mountain Meadows was largely about the doctrine of Blood Atonement...and the militia-men who murdered those travelers in cold blood had performed other acts of Blood Atonement upon dissenting Mormons as well.
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