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I have been thinking about Dubss' psychopathology. It must be fueled by anger. Adults can rise above it, but perpetual adolescents do not. We can discuss this if you want, folks. I would imagine the simplest thing to do is just to ignore his posts. When we respond to them, it validates his anger, his reason for existence here. Hence, we are ennabling his destructive behavior. Thoughts about this are welcome.
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Dubss wrote:KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Just Reading wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Just Reading wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: kristiclark wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: kristiclark wrote: Dubss wrote: Wren wrote: Bearyb wrote, "My only point here is to simply say that we don't know the mind of the Lord, nor how He may choose to deal with whom He chooses to deal with. We will likely never know or fully understand what Joseph knew and understood, and we should probably not concentrate on the faults of others in any case."
This is great advice. I suggest that you will "likely never know or fully understand what Jaye" knows or understands. Leave it alone, please, Bearyb, and follow your own advice.Nor do you, or anybody fully understand Jaye, becuase much like you and many of your ilk, your ready and able to bash other's faith, but when it comes to discussing your own? Bunch of cowards.
Are you describing yourelf, Dubss? This is not about Jaye at all. It's about you and how you feel about yourself.
And how do I feel about myself oh wiseone? I have a great family, 3 kids, great wife, 15 years of marriage, great job, live in a great house, go on great vacations, have many good friends, feel great about myself, as we all do, I sometimes make mistakes, and need to repent, but overall, I feel great about myself. My life is great, but thanks for the concern.  LOL!
You little liar! No one believes you.
Don't forget, you also claimed to be some kind of karate champ with a 29-0 record. Bigdaddy proved that was a lie.
And as I've said many times, unlike you, I could care less what strangers on a blog believe or disbelieve about me. You will never meet me, never see me, never know the real me. Nor do you really know anyone here.
And how did Bigdummy prove anything I've said is a lie? He called the UFC folks to check on a 29-0 record. He was told no one has it. Liar.
Unsubstantiated claims like this characterize borderline personalities.
How do you know it's unsubstantiated? Did you call? Or are you believing a guy who is a liar himself?
By the way, I'm not buying that your new here, your just a reincarnated nut job that probally got banned and is coming back around, probally a single cat lady that likes her cats more than reality. I see that alot. You are so arrogant that it is sickening. And disgusting.
You made some comments in the past concerning hearing impairment. You didn't even realize that deaf people has language problems, yet you say your daughter is deaf. You lie!
Is it not possible that being new to the culture, I didn't know? I mean I have only been learning sign for about a year and a half, my daughter is four, and I have about the same level of sign as she does, my wife is taking sign classes to catch up to her, she now has a signing aide at her preschool, and is passing us up, so excuse me if I didn't know all the details of the deaf community. This post just further convinced me I'm right. Besides, other things you have said in the past raised a flag with me.
I'm not even talking about sign language skills, dubya.
You are dense, as you yourself would say.
Well you sure can see his lack of empathy of deaf people.. and that's strange for someone who says that their little daughter is deaf....
Poor little mite...eh?
But you know what Kent says about it...he's not the same in real life as he is here.
I wonder if he even gets off his butt to go tuck the little tyke into bed and give her hugs and kisses?
And with all the posts you have here, I wonder if your wife even knows who you are.
And bigdummy, I have never had lack of empathy to deaf people you POSWT, get your facts straight for once and stop lieing and making stuff up.
My wife knows who I am. She's had a little over 34 years to get to know me, and she knows me better than any other human being has ever known me.
I can say with utter confidence that she knows me better than ANYONE...period...save perhaps for myself...and the Lord.
But the fact remains...my wife is an adult, she is not hearing impaired, and she has her own business and activities to attend to.
I do feel sorry for your children Dubya...because you do spend an inordinate amount of time arguing on this forum, which might better be spent with them.
They tend to grow up pretty quickly, Dubya. And the time rapidly comes where youngsters who are neglected by their father seek their role-models and mentoring elsewhere.
Think about it. I'm truly not trying to be rude here. I'm genuinely concerned. Especially regarding a 4 year old girl who is hearing impaired, and for whom the world must be a truly perplexing and frustrating place.
And I feel sorry for your wife, with the amount of posts you have here and the amount of time, never seemingly ever being gone from this site for a few days even, you must never take vacations, never see her much, she must always just see the back of your head typing away maddenly on the computer.
Straighten out your own life Jaye, don't worry about me or my kids, and don't bring them up.
1. You brought up your kids in the first place Kent...not me.
2. My life's pretty straight.
3. My wife is a busy woman...like I said...she has her own business to attend to. She also has her friends, her women's circles and she has also been spending quite a bit of time giving comfort to a couple of friends who are terminally ill.
Consider my words regarding your daughter. I meant well.
Sounds like you both have your seperate worlds apart from each other. mmmmm
Quit trying to be the all wise clifford clavin, and worry about your own life/wife.
Man I can see Dubss now breaking the arm of a long haired hippy for talking too loud in a movie theater, Only to find out later when he gets to heavens Gates that the long haired hippy was Jesus and he was trying to talk to others about God that day in the theater
Dubss you can't tell when others are trying to be nice or do good....
Your about as illogical as a brick wall.
I seriously doubt Christ would have walked into a crowded theator, interupted people who have paid money to watch a show, be as rude to interupt, and be so insensitive and rude. What a tard.  No, Christ wouldn't have. But then, would He have resorted to violence the way you did (or claim to, at least)?
Please don't use the word "tard". It really isn't very nice.
I believe Christ would have defended himself if someone put their hands on him, yes. With the exception of the martydom, which he undestood was to happen.
Christ taught to return good for evil, kindness for unkindness, and that if a man strikes you on the cheek...offer him the other cheek to strike as well.
According to the Bible, Jesus never lifted a finger to defend Himself.
But He did, on occasion, simply vanish amid the press of the crowd.
Wasn't it you who just said he protected what was his in the temple? Physically throwing people out? I don't look at him as someone who would allow a person to push him around. So you think Christ would break someone's arm just for having a big mouth? As I said, you say anything to justify your own behavior.
I think if someone was pushing him and acting in a threatening manner, he would grab the arm and stop it, yes. As I said in the past, I don't know that I broke his arm, but I did hurt it, as I've also said, I was defending myself, so is it my fault if his arm was hurt? No, it's not.
1. Throughout the 4 gospels there is no mention of Jesus ever lifting a finger in His OWN defense.
And that includes when He was taken at the Garden of Gethsemane, when they grabbed Him so roughly, and spit upon Him, and struck his face... He never lifted a finger.
Peter on the other hand resorted to physical violence and smote the ear off the scribe with his sword.
But Jesus? No. He simply picked up the man's ear, and placed it back upon his head.
He never so much as uttered the slightest word of reproach as He was tried, and sentenced to the torture of scourging, and placed a crown of thorns upon His brow.
2. As far as who was at fault at the theater...you were at fault for injuring the man. You were the one who made the choice to approach the man, and to reproach him by telling him to shut up.
If you had not opened your big mouth...the man would not have gotten in your face...and you would not have been in the position to physically harm another person. And you wouldn't have placed your wife in harm's way either.
Better to leave the theater, and ask for a refund, or inform the manager that a patron is being noisy and ruining the picture for everyone else.
Most martial arts masters worth their salt would say...the best defense...is not being there.
3. The very fact that you took it upon yourself to confront the man and tell him off is a very good indication that you ARE exactly the same in 'real life' as you are here on the forum.
I guess that's the difference between you and me, I don't shirk and hide like a cowardly lion wussy.
The differences between thee and me are vast, indeed Kent...and much like the difference between the darkest, stormiest night...and the brightest, sunniest day.
You see...unlike you...I don't go around in life with a chip on my shoulder, just spoiling for a fight.
Unlike you...I don't seek out opportunities to hurt people.
And especially unlike you...I would never place my wife at risk of physical harm by taking it upon myself to be confrontational, and picking a fight for no good reason at all.
It is not cowardly to utilize common sense. There are certain times when a fight cannot be avoided. But there ARE times when a fight can be avoided simply by keeping your big mouth shut.
I get it, your a weak, coward. got it. And you're a mindless bully with more brawn than brains. Got it.
I believe it takes more strength to walk away than to fight. So that says quite a bit about you, doesn't it? You're not a very peaceful person, are you?
So let me get this straight, you have never asked someone to please lower there voice or please not smoke or please stop interupting in your WHOLE life?
To me that's a gutless person.Did you assume that I was claiming never to have asked someone to lower THEIR voice in a theater, or not to smoke in the presence of my wife or children (when they were little) or to please stop INTERRUPTING? Far from it. The difference being that I ASKED very COURTEOUSLY...instead of approaching them with an attitude of hubris and DEMANDING that they cease and desist. For the most part, the people I have asked in a courteous manner have been apologetic and complied with my courteous request. But there were a few times when a few individuals became even more obnoxious. In those cases, it was quickly apparent that the individual was not going to cease and desist. So I took my wife, and my children, and moved them away from the source of trouble. That is common sense. That indicates normal concern for one's wife and children. You also appear to lack the ability to discern exactly when a situation merits taking further action, and accelerating the situation to physical violence. As I said...any martial arts expert or master worth his/her salt would agree with me...that it is better to walk away and avoid the violence. And only IF the trouble-maker follows you, and attempts to attack you, do you strike back in self defense. It is not gutless, cowardly, or weak to walk away from a fight. It is common sense to do so if one can...and THAT is the difference between a man who thinks with his brain...and a man who lets his temper do the thinking for him.
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Dubss wrote:KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Just Reading wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Just Reading wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: kristiclark wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: kristiclark wrote: Dubss wrote: Wren wrote: Bearyb wrote, "My only point here is to simply say that we don't know the mind of the Lord, nor how He may choose to deal with whom He chooses to deal with. We will likely never know or fully understand what Joseph knew and understood, and we should probably not concentrate on the faults of others in any case."
This is great advice. I suggest that you will "likely never know or fully understand what Jaye" knows or understands. Leave it alone, please, Bearyb, and follow your own advice.Nor do you, or anybody fully understand Jaye, becuase much like you and many of your ilk, your ready and able to bash other's faith, but when it comes to discussing your own? Bunch of cowards.
Are you describing yourelf, Dubss? This is not about Jaye at all. It's about you and how you feel about yourself.
And how do I feel about myself oh wiseone? I have a great family, 3 kids, great wife, 15 years of marriage, great job, live in a great house, go on great vacations, have many good friends, feel great about myself, as we all do, I sometimes make mistakes, and need to repent, but overall, I feel great about myself. My life is great, but thanks for the concern.  LOL!
You little liar! No one believes you.
Don't forget, you also claimed to be some kind of karate champ with a 29-0 record. Bigdaddy proved that was a lie.
And as I've said many times, unlike you, I could care less what strangers on a blog believe or disbelieve about me. You will never meet me, never see me, never know the real me. Nor do you really know anyone here.
And how did Bigdummy prove anything I've said is a lie? He called the UFC folks to check on a 29-0 record. He was told no one has it. Liar.
Unsubstantiated claims like this characterize borderline personalities.
How do you know it's unsubstantiated? Did you call? Or are you believing a guy who is a liar himself?
By the way, I'm not buying that your new here, your just a reincarnated nut job that probally got banned and is coming back around, probally a single cat lady that likes her cats more than reality. I see that alot. You are so arrogant that it is sickening. And disgusting.
You made some comments in the past concerning hearing impairment. You didn't even realize that deaf people has language problems, yet you say your daughter is deaf. You lie!
Is it not possible that being new to the culture, I didn't know? I mean I have only been learning sign for about a year and a half, my daughter is four, and I have about the same level of sign as she does, my wife is taking sign classes to catch up to her, she now has a signing aide at her preschool, and is passing us up, so excuse me if I didn't know all the details of the deaf community. This post just further convinced me I'm right. Besides, other things you have said in the past raised a flag with me.
I'm not even talking about sign language skills, dubya.
You are dense, as you yourself would say.
Well you sure can see his lack of empathy of deaf people.. and that's strange for someone who says that their little daughter is deaf....
Poor little mite...eh?
But you know what Kent says about it...he's not the same in real life as he is here.
I wonder if he even gets off his butt to go tuck the little tyke into bed and give her hugs and kisses?
And with all the posts you have here, I wonder if your wife even knows who you are.
And bigdummy, I have never had lack of empathy to deaf people you POSWT, get your facts straight for once and stop lieing and making stuff up.
My wife knows who I am. She's had a little over 34 years to get to know me, and she knows me better than any other human being has ever known me.
I can say with utter confidence that she knows me better than ANYONE...period...save perhaps for myself...and the Lord.
But the fact remains...my wife is an adult, she is not hearing impaired, and she has her own business and activities to attend to.
I do feel sorry for your children Dubya...because you do spend an inordinate amount of time arguing on this forum, which might better be spent with them.
They tend to grow up pretty quickly, Dubya. And the time rapidly comes where youngsters who are neglected by their father seek their role-models and mentoring elsewhere.
Think about it. I'm truly not trying to be rude here. I'm genuinely concerned. Especially regarding a 4 year old girl who is hearing impaired, and for whom the world must be a truly perplexing and frustrating place.
And I feel sorry for your wife, with the amount of posts you have here and the amount of time, never seemingly ever being gone from this site for a few days even, you must never take vacations, never see her much, she must always just see the back of your head typing away maddenly on the computer.
Straighten out your own life Jaye, don't worry about me or my kids, and don't bring them up.
1. You brought up your kids in the first place Kent...not me.
2. My life's pretty straight.
3. My wife is a busy woman...like I said...she has her own business to attend to. She also has her friends, her women's circles and she has also been spending quite a bit of time giving comfort to a couple of friends who are terminally ill.
Consider my words regarding your daughter. I meant well.
Sounds like you both have your seperate worlds apart from each other. mmmmm
Quit trying to be the all wise clifford clavin, and worry about your own life/wife.
Man I can see Dubss now breaking the arm of a long haired hippy for talking too loud in a movie theater, Only to find out later when he gets to heavens Gates that the long haired hippy was Jesus and he was trying to talk to others about God that day in the theater
Dubss you can't tell when others are trying to be nice or do good....
Your about as illogical as a brick wall.
I seriously doubt Christ would have walked into a crowded theator, interupted people who have paid money to watch a show, be as rude to interupt, and be so insensitive and rude. What a tard.  No, Christ wouldn't have. But then, would He have resorted to violence the way you did (or claim to, at least)?
Please don't use the word "tard". It really isn't very nice.
I believe Christ would have defended himself if someone put their hands on him, yes. With the exception of the martydom, which he undestood was to happen.
Christ taught to return good for evil, kindness for unkindness, and that if a man strikes you on the cheek...offer him the other cheek to strike as well.
According to the Bible, Jesus never lifted a finger to defend Himself.
But He did, on occasion, simply vanish amid the press of the crowd.
Wasn't it you who just said he protected what was his in the temple? Physically throwing people out? I don't look at him as someone who would allow a person to push him around. So you think Christ would break someone's arm just for having a big mouth? As I said, you say anything to justify your own behavior.
I think if someone was pushing him and acting in a threatening manner, he would grab the arm and stop it, yes. As I said in the past, I don't know that I broke his arm, but I did hurt it, as I've also said, I was defending myself, so is it my fault if his arm was hurt? No, it's not.
1. Throughout the 4 gospels there is no mention of Jesus ever lifting a finger in His OWN defense.
And that includes when He was taken at the Garden of Gethsemane, when they grabbed Him so roughly, and spit upon Him, and struck his face... He never lifted a finger.
Peter on the other hand resorted to physical violence and smote the ear off the scribe with his sword.
But Jesus? No. He simply picked up the man's ear, and placed it back upon his head.
He never so much as uttered the slightest word of reproach as He was tried, and sentenced to the torture of scourging, and placed a crown of thorns upon His brow.
2. As far as who was at fault at the theater...you were at fault for injuring the man. You were the one who made the choice to approach the man, and to reproach him by telling him to shut up.
If you had not opened your big mouth...the man would not have gotten in your face...and you would not have been in the position to physically harm another person. And you wouldn't have placed your wife in harm's way either.
Better to leave the theater, and ask for a refund, or inform the manager that a patron is being noisy and ruining the picture for everyone else.
Most martial arts masters worth their salt would say...the best defense...is not being there.
3. The very fact that you took it upon yourself to confront the man and tell him off is a very good indication that you ARE exactly the same in 'real life' as you are here on the forum.
I guess that's the difference between you and me, I don't shirk and hide like a cowardly lion wussy.
The differences between thee and me are vast, indeed Kent...and much like the difference between the darkest, stormiest night...and the brightest, sunniest day.
You see...unlike you...I don't go around in life with a chip on my shoulder, just spoiling for a fight.
Unlike you...I don't seek out opportunities to hurt people.
And especially unlike you...I would never place my wife at risk of physical harm by taking it upon myself to be confrontational, and picking a fight for no good reason at all.
It is not cowardly to utilize common sense. There are certain times when a fight cannot be avoided. But there ARE times when a fight can be avoided simply by keeping your big mouth shut.
I get it, your a weak, coward. got it. And you're a mindless bully with more brawn than brains. Got it.
I believe it takes more strength to walk away than to fight. So that says quite a bit about you, doesn't it? You're not a very peaceful person, are you?
So let me get this straight, you have never asked someone to please lower there voice or please not smoke or please stop interupting in your WHOLE life?
To me that's a gutless person. Yes, I have. Most complied with my request (or my husbands). If not, I get up and walk away. If a place allows smoking, I don't go there. What does fighting prove? Not one damn thing, except that you have a temper.
WHOLE life? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? Going to a movie is your WHOLE LIFE?
And what if that person started screaming and pushing you? Like I said, that's the difference between me and a gutless coward, I don't allow myself to be pushed around.If a man walked up to you, unprovoked, on a crowded street and started screaming at you and pushing you...you would be within your rights to defend yourself. Your experience was different. YOU chose to confront the man and tell him to quiet down. It is quite possible that the man was intoxicated or impaired by drugs. It is also possible that he was mentally impaired. It is also possible that he was simply a jerk. But the fact remains...you have proven time and time again on this forum that you do not have control of your temper, and that you cannot restrain yourself from making smart-alec remarks. Therefore...YOU made an error in judgment when you confronted this man. To initiate personal confrontation with an individual who is behaving in such a way, and especially if you have your wife with you, is not an indication that you have brain one in that melon you call a head.
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Jaye wrote: bearyb wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Wren wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: bearyb wrote: Jaye wrote: bearyb wrote: Jaye wrote: bearyb wrote: Jaye wrote: bearyb wrote:
Perhaps... Or it could be that you are quite an enigma.
I've been told so many times...and it's not necessarily a bad thing...IMPO.
Why be boring? Why stick like glue to the status quo?
I never said it was necessarily bad, only inconsistent. In fact, I'd surmise you're probably a pretty nice guy.
I'll tell you what I find to be inconsistent. When a man claiming direct face to face revelation from God...and fully expecting the entire membership of a religious faith to obey this revelation and adhere to it's principles...cannot even manage to obey or adhere to them HIMSELF.
That's what I find to be inconsistent.
Who are you talking about - Moses? Like when he smote the rock to cause water to come forth?
No Bearyb...I was not referring to Moses. I was referring to Joseph Smith.
But it IS interesting, don't you think, that Moses received the consequences of his very human display of disregarding the Lord's instructions? He was only permitted to see the Promised Land...but not to enter into it.
Much as I believe that Joseph Smith also received the consequences of HIS very human displays of disregarding the Lord's instructions.
And as the Lord warned would happen, and this according to Section 3 of the Doctrine and Covenants...Joseph continued in following after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires...the Lord finally withdrew His protective arm, and Joseph WAS killed by the mob.
Had Joseph Smith truly repented and remained obedient to the Lord's will...the Lord had promised that even the fiery darts of hell would never prevail against him.
Why do you think that perhaps the "fiery darts of hell" have prevailed against Joseph? Do you have some evidence somewhere that such is the case?
I consider a violent death at the hands of a hateful mob of drunkards to be akin to the fiery darts of hell.
Although these particular fiery darts of hell only prevailed over his physical body, and not his immortal soul.
But the Lord did promise that Joseph would be protected only insofar as he truly repented and obeyed the counsels of God.
I guess all the orginal twelve apostles were in the same boat as Joseph. They all died pretty horrible violent deaths at the hands of their enemies. rolleyes.
I don't recall reading anything in the Holy Bible about the 12 apostles committing adultery, or failing to practice what they preached, punishing their followers for doing the very same things they did, or changing their stories over and over again, or seeking buried treasure.
I don't recall reading anything about the 12 apostles making claims that they had done more than any, save Christ, to bring about salvation...nor do I recall reading anything about any of the 12 apostles trying to set themselves up as kings over their followers.
I don't recall reading anything about the 12 apostles ordering thugs to destroy someone else's personal property.
I don't recall reading anything about the 12 apostles doing anything that could constitute rebellion and disobedience to God.
Had Joseph Smith obeyed the laws of the land, (specifically regarding bigamy,) as it is indicated in the Articles of Faith that the Mormons claimed to do...he would not have been in that situation in the first place.
Not really , your claim that was Joseph died a violent death by the hands of his enemies because the Lord was not protecting him, Was the Lord also not protecting the 12 apostles? because they died horrible deaths also at the hands of their enemies.
A false derivative form of logic here is offered by Dubss. He is such an anti-LDS tool as he prances and dances. He must be an anti, a lurker.
The 12 apostles were pristine, moral men who had no warning from the Lord that if they sinned His hand would be withdrawn. They pretty well already knew what their fates would be.
On the other hand, the Lord specifically in D&C 3 warned Joseph about sinning and that if he did the Lord would withdraw his protection. Joseph sinned mightily and died horribly at Carthage Jail.
Might or might not be true that the twelve were warned, and we don't know what mistakes they made in their life's, we do know one denied Christ. I was just wondering if Jaye had proof of his cliam, and if this applied to all those who die a violent death by the hands of their enemies, or if it only applied to Joseph, either way, it is you/his opionion, nothing more.
First of all...you're painting with a pretty broad brush of generalization regarding my 'claim'.
Let's put it this way Kent...if God Almighty Himself appeared to you and warned you to cease and desist with a particular sinful pattern of behavior, and repent of that behavior, and heed the commandments of God... or else He would remove the arm of His protection from you, you would become as any other man, incur the wrath of God...and you WOULD fall...would you heed the warning, cease and desist, repent and practice obedience?
And if, in the next breath, this God promised you, that if you would truly repent with a sincere heart, He would be with you, guiding and protecting you, so that even the fiery darts of hell itself could not prevail upon you...would you believe Him?
How is it that you don't believe what God warned and promised, according to Section 3 of the D&C?
Now...tell me...what makes you think I was somehow insinuating that God's promise and warnings to Joseph in this Section of the D&C applied to any other human being than Joseph?
It was directed to Joseph Smith...not John Brown, or Jim Baker, or a contractor named Jaye.
Yes, it was directed specifically to Joseph Smith, and at a specific time during the translation of the Book of Mormon, after the 116 pages of the "Book of Lehi" had been lost. This was given in July 1828.
Notice verse 10: "But remember, God is merciful; therefore, repent of that which thou hast done which is contrary to the commandment which I gave you, and thou art still chosen, and art again called to the work;"
Well, it seems obvious that he must have repented, or he would not have been able to finish the translation, which he did.
If you are going to use the D&C to "prove" that Joseph died because he didn't repent, you should probably look for a different set of verses than those in Section 3.
I'm not saying that Joseph didn't repent of what He did to piss of the Lord in that particular point in time.
He did repent. But continual repentance is required...not just a one time deal.
And that was a relatively minor infraction, compared to other sins of the flesh, and to some of the things he eventually did.
Joseph repented of that infraction...but then he turned right around and continued to follow after the dictates of his own will and his carnal desires.
What makes you think that Joseph was going to elaborate in writing in the D&C regarding every last commandment he broke?
Yes, thank you for the reminder about the necessity of continual repentance.
How is it again that you can be so confident about what other sins Joseph may have committed, and whether or not he may have repented of any them?
And what makes you think that the admonitions in Section 3 have anything to do with later events? (Perhaps verse 4 might be said to apply generally - but even then you would need to explain how what happened to him was the result of the "vengeance of a just God." )
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 7 Months, 1 Week ago
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KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: Just Reading wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Dubss wrote: Jaye wrote: Just Reading wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: kristiclark wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: KitKat wrote: Dubss wrote: kristiclark wrote: Dubss wrote: Wren wrote: Bearyb wrote, "My only point here is to simply say that we don't know the mind of the Lord, nor how He may choose to deal with whom He chooses to deal with. We will likely never know or fully understand what Joseph knew and understood, and we should probably not concentrate on the faults of others in any case."
This is great advice. I suggest that you will "likely never know or fully understand what Jaye" knows or understands. Leave it alone, please, Bearyb, and follow your own advice.Nor do you, or anybody fully understand Jaye, becuase much like you and many of your ilk, your ready and able to bash other's faith, but when it comes to discussing your own? Bunch of cowards.
Are you describing yourelf, Dubss? This is not about Jaye at all. It's about you and | | |