Just Reading wrote:
Wren wrote:
I have been thinking about Dubss' psychopathology. It must be fueled by anger. Adults can rise above it, but perpetual adolescents do not. We can discuss this if you want, folks. I would imagine the simplest thing to do is just to ignore his posts. When we respond to them, it validates his anger, his reason for existence here. Hence, we are ennabling his destructive behavior. Thoughts about this are welcome.

It has never worked before, if we ignore him, he will say he's sorry and that he will try to be good and it will work for a day or two then he'll start being his old immature mean self again... So I don't know what to do...

JR, he will continue talking out of his ass if we don't ignore him, and that is profitless. The only positive thing he contributes is that if one were investigating the concept of the "one true church" and read his hatefilled words, s/he would reject any "only authoritative" claim immediately. For me, once one gets by the silliness of the claim, much is offered by the LDS church as a good institution for christian fellowship.

If we do ignore him and he then apologizes, we put him on notice that next instance of verbal assault, that's it: we keep sending every one of his posts directly to Randy. If he is banned and comes back under another forum name, we will recognize him and send everyone of his posts to Randy.

Have you noticed, by the by, how much his diction and syntax have deteriorated recently. It means that FAIR/FARMS will not work with him one-on-one anymore.

Dubss wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubss wrote:
Wren wrote:
Let's see. Two active, one inactive, and one never-mo all remember that Dubss bashed Todd Compton as an anti-writer, when in fact Todd goes to temple and Dubss can't. Whom do we believe? Not Dubss.

Prove it.

Dubss three have testified to the fact that you did so by mormon standard's that is proof....

Three known apostate anti mormons? No, that's no proof.
I'm one of those three who testified. You are calling me an apostate anti Mormon? The things you say leave you with no credibility at all. None!

KitKat wrote, I'm one of those three who testified. You are calling me an apostate anti Mormon? The things you say leave you with no credibility at all. None!

You are active.

Jaye is active and goes to the temple (and Dubss cannot -- he said that somewhere but I can't find; maybe it was in the old threds).

JR is inactive, I believe, but very knowledgable about church history, and does not hesitate to research all sources, which are printed on both pro- and con- sites.

I have never belonged to the church, but know far more about than Dubss.

And each of us four are known for our truthfulness, unlike Dubss. If the four of us say it was there, then any objective reviewer would turn Dubss' ass out into the alley in the rain.

Really, let this go. Dubss said and has lied about it. This discussion is over.

Wren, Jaye and BR were the three I meant.

Dubss wrote:
Wren, Jaye and BR were the three I meant.

We were not even talking about BR, he isn't even around. I am one of those who "testified" that you said Todd Compton was anti.

Your comprehension/reading skills are really in the gutter.

I'm done with this subject. I know you said it, and so do you.

Dubss wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubss wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubss wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubss wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubss wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Do you suppose that all dissenters against the Mormon faith were Mormons?

By definition, a dissenter is someone who leaves the faith because of disbelief. so yes.

Dubss that's not true!!

dis-sent-er

One who dissents: political dissenters.
often Dissenter One who refuses to accept the doctrines or usages of an established or a national church.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

It's not necessarily a person who was a member of a church it could be just someone or anyone for that matter who just refuses to accept the doctrines of any church..

So now your saying the church went around killing NON mormons just because they wouldn't believe? If that were the case we'd have quite a story and journal and newspaper articles verify this to be the case.

Not necessarily true.

A prime example is what happened to the Expositor.
Printing presses can be easily destroyed, and the dissenters writing the dissenting articles can easily be cowed into silence, or into packing up and leaving, or else they simply disappear one dark night.

And those who decided to leave could easily be tracked down and murdered in their sleeping roll at their campsite.

The members who were not so zealous as to actually condone these actions were easily discouraged from talking about it. Fear of reprisal is a powerful motivation.

John D.Lee spoke of knowing of many a man who was 'used up' or 'put quietly out of the way'.

So did others involved with the Danites.

The wilderness was vast Dubya. Lots of places to hide bodies where they'd never be found. And the Danites were cunning in their service to the Church, and in carrying out their assigned assassinations.

As for relatives of men who mysteriously disappeared...they probably figured they had met up with Indians.

That was the common tale put out by Mormons after all...the Indians did it.

And the Mormons controlled everything in those communities. It's not like as if a dissenting member, or gentile was going to get damning evidence or tales through to their relatives via the postal service.

Yes this is true Dubss!!

Here is a example of the church telling the relatives to keep their mouth shut

Look at the murder of Rosmos Anderson (BTW Here's another Name I found for you Dubss) a Mormon Council voted that Anderson must die for violating his covenants.

His wife was ordered to prepare a suit of clean clothing, in which to have her husband buried, and was informed that he was to be killed for his sins, she being directed to tell those who should enquire after her husband that he had gone to California.

Klingensmith, James Haslem, Daniel McFarland and John M. Higbee dug a grave in the field near Cedar City, Anderson knelt upon the side of the grave and prayed.

Klingensmith and his company then cut Anderson's throat from ear to ear and held him so that his blood ran into the grave.

As soon as he was dead they dressed him in his clean clothes, threw him into the grave and buried him.

They then carried his bloody clothing back to his family, and gave them to his wife to wash, when she was again instructed to say that her husband was in California .... The killing of Anderson was then considered a religious duty and a just act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Atonement

See Dubss!!

So now blood atonement (a person killing themselves for their sins) is an example of Mormons killing dissenters?

Your getting weaker by the minute.

Dubss do you really have this bad of Comprehension skills, I know your stupid and immature but you are way off,

I wrote:

Here is a example of the church telling the relatives to keep their mouth shut

Now were do you get that I said this is an example of Mormons killing dissenters?

"LOL" you're so PATHETIC "LOL"

Your original claim dar dar was that the church killed dissenters, when I have asked for names or proof you start going into

Mountain meadows
Missouri war
Hahns Mill
Blood atonement

Which are not examples of people being killed for not believing or leaving the church.

LOL you are so pathetic LOL

Dubss either you missed or just avoided this post

but back on page 291 post # 349700 I gave you a name of a person who was a dissenter and tryed to leave the Church and he was Killed for it..

Heres that post:

POST # 349700
Dubss wrote:
One name for now is all I'm asking for bigdummy, and how, why, what were the curcumstances of this persons death, and proof that it is related to the LDS policy of killing desenters, one name bigdummy, prove it or shut your yapper.

Dubss I have to admit this was very, very hard to find,
most everything I could find on the internet that talked about the killing of dissenters/apostates had no names of who was killed even the diaries I could find on-line have ("today [-blank-] was killed for...."

but I did find one Dissenter/apostate name who was killed and the last names of two out of six non-Mormons who were killed in 1857...

Killed/Murdered Dissenter/apostate William P. Parish of Springville, Utah, early in 1857 because he was leaving the church and moving to California and at about the same time a party of six, including two brothers named Aikin, travelling from San Francisco were arrested as spies, were acquitted, and then were attacked in their camp and murdered, one at least by an assassin who claimed that Young had given him the order;

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Mormons

So You Got Your One Name!! Who's the Dummy

See Dubss it is you who is PATHETIC!!!

I like how they offered no reference, in other words, it flew out of their ass from some anti site. Keep trying bigdummy.

What the Hell you talking about Dubss it is from The 1911 Edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. NOT some anti site. "LOL" Look it up!!