Dubss wrote:
The thing you don't get is I never said people didn't die in the days of early saints, possibly by the hands of religious zealot extremists that still exist even today in some form or another, in every religion has a few of them. I just don't think it was as widespread as some here make it out to be, as we saw by taking days to find ONE name as your "proof". And even if it were true, it was a few religious exremist nut jobs that mistood doctrine and acted foolishly. Doesn't make the rest of the doctrine nor the church of Jesus Christ any less truthful.

Dubss see you got me all wrong, the LDS Church today is a fine church as churches go, It does good in the bad world, The LDS church has charities it brings people close to what is God, But just like all churches it has a rocky start and past,
Over the past 178 years the LDS church has grown and is getting closer to a good path,
Do I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet "NO" I believe he was a con-man, But I believe the Con he started has grown into a fine Church, Thanks to people like President Hinkley,

When people like you Dubss come out and say it is the one and only true church I have to call BS and I will everytime...

Wren wrote:
The question is then, "Would the 'one true church' have a leadership that created the atmosphere for massacre and even ordered it?"


If you consider that Prophets are not infallible, and have made mistakes in interpretation of doctrine in the past, with Blood Atonement, Adam God to be specific, it makes sense that at times their man made fallicies at times may enter into their speech, it happened more in Brighams days than any other Prophet, so he has to answer to God for some of the things he taught. It always goes back to what was added to scripture then, and now as far as interpreting doctrine. Was his words ever added to our standard works on these topics? No, they were not, and were never doctrine.


So could the "one true church" have fallacies included from time to time in it's history? Yes, of course, the Apostles in the New Testment spent much of their writings correcting false doctrine. It happens.

Thank you for such a reasoned response. I disagree with your conclusion, but I disagree agreeably. I wish you well in your faith, and I hope that it is everything through the years that you wish it to be.

Dubss wrote:
Wren wrote:
The question is then, "Would the 'one true church' have a leadership that created the atmosphere for massacre and even ordered it?"


If you consider that Prophets are not infallible, and have made mistakes in interpretation of doctrine in the past, with Blood Atonement, Adam God to be specific, it makes sense that at times their man made fallicies at times may enter into their speech, it happened more in Brighams days than any other Prophet, so he has to answer to God for some of the things he taught. It always goes back to what was added to scripture then, and now as far as interpreting doctrine. Was his words ever added to our standard works on these topics? No, they were not, and were never doctrine.


So could the "one true church" have fallacies included from time to time in it's history? Yes, of course, the Apostles in the New Testment spent much of their writings correcting false doctrine. It happens.

I'm not too sure the "one true church" would have as much problems as the LDS church has,

Maybe Emma Smith and the Smith family were right and Brigham Young was not to be Prophet, But then that would make it to where the LDS Church today has/had lost the keys of authority when Birgham Young became President, Hmmm... I don't know...

Wren wrote:
Thank you for such a reasoned response. I disagree with your conclusion, but I disagree agreeably. I wish you well in your faith, and I hope that it is everything through the years that you wish it to be.

Yes from me too!!

What Wren Said

Dubss wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubss wrote:
Wren wrote:
Let's see. Two active, one inactive, and one never-mo all remember that Dubss bashed Todd Compton as an anti-writer, when in fact Todd goes to temple and Dubss can't. Whom do we believe? Not Dubss.

Prove it.

Dubss three have testified to the fact that you did so by mormon standard's that is proof....

Three known apostate anti mormons? No, that's no proof.

According to the gospel of St.Matthew...this is also a biblical standard.

"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."