SilentReader wrote:
truthhurts wrote:
Every once and a while I do actually read one of RushReader's long winded posts. It helps to have a couple of beers first, just to help deaden the pain of reading such tripe. That said, I'm going to comment on a couple of things from his latest installment.

SilentReader wrote:
So, if you think I hate Obama. I do not. What I detest is the fact that he sat in his pastor's pews for 20 years and didn't confront him, or leave.
Actually, I think you really do hate anyone you brand as "liberal". It shows in your posts. This pastor thing is just your latest reason for foaming at the mouth against Obama. If not this, something else. And if Obama was not the front runner, you would be railing on Hilary about something, as you have done in the past. You assume that every one of Wrights sermons were controversial, but have shown no evidence of that, or even that the majority or even just 5 % were. I ask you again to present your evidence on that. I know some active LDS who occasionally do not like what one particular LDS Apostle says about various issues. Should they get up and leave the Church over it?

If you don't hold people accountable for their disgusting acts and contemptible words as they occur you are condoning those disgusting acts and contemptible words.
Let's see, did you want to hold Scooter Libby accountable for perjury? Do you want to hold Bush and Cheney and the other members of his administration accountable for lying to the American people in the lead up to the Iraq War? I believe one study was done and pegged that figure at 935 lies, give or take.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

A war that has now cost about 4,000 US Troop lives, untold Iraqi civilian deaths, and has cost over half a trillion dollars, with no end in sight on any of the above figures. Do you want to hold them accountable? These are just a couple of examples, RushReader. Show us how you really do care about holding people accountable,and are not just giving the words one-sided, partisan lip service.

Oh, one more thing. Do you now support John McCain, given what you said about him earlier? In case you have forgotten, here it is...again.

SilentReader wrote:
McCain will not win. We, the conservatives, won't let him. For if he were to win it would destroy the Republican Party and everything it has stood for over the many years.
Your answer is awaited. The silence is deafening.

On the first, neither Scooter Libby, Bush, Cheney or their cabinet lied.

On the second, the Jihadists and al Qaeda were responsible for the Iraqi deaths. Our troops were responsible for ridding them of a fascist murderer-executioner Saddam and liberating them.

On the third, since Hillary Clinton is an abomination and Obama is the apocalypse we conservatives have no alternative. We will support the nominee of the GOP and continue to push for the things we genuinely believe in. As I have already said we are with McCain on the War against Jihadism.

First, they all either lied or deliberately distorted the truth continually.

Second, our troops should have been sent in with the necessary tools to secure the peace, and they were not so equipped.

Third, you are no conservative; you are a neo-con, an abomination to traditional GOP principles. You will be purged once McCain wins the election. You have no place in the party.

SilentReader wrote:
On the first, neither Scooter Libby, Bush, Cheney or their cabinet lied.
Scooter Libby is a convicted felon, convicted of perjury (hint: perjury means lying under oath) and obstruction of justice by a jury of his peers in a United States Federal Court. As for Bush, Cheney, and his cabinet, just where are those ties of Saddam to 9/11 that they told us about before the war? An before you answer, here is Bush himself later admitting that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Not what was being said before we attacked, though, was it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwbFzCvvSns

Also, regarding those elusive WMD's, here is Cheney:

On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

Where is the evidence of WMD's? Without it, Cheney lied.

On the second, the Jihadists and al Qaeda were responsible for the Iraqi deaths. Our troops were responsible for ridding them of a fascist murderer-executioner Saddam and liberating them.
Statistics please. I will be looking for the number of Iraqi civilians killed by al Qaeda versus those killed in Sunni and Shiite sectarian civil war. No rumors or innuendo, please. And tell us RushReader, did Bush and Cheney foresee a sectarian civil war after Saddam was taken out? They should have. Cheney even predicted as much in 1994. I believe he said "quagmire" when discussing what would happen if Saddam was taken out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

On the third, since Hillary Clinton is an abomination and Obama is the apocalypse we conservatives have no alternative.
Boy, I can really see you don't hate them.

We will support the nominee of the GOP and continue to push for the things we genuinely believe in. As I have already said we are with McCain on the War against Jihadism.
I see. Then you were lying too?

SilentReader wrote:
McCain will not win. We, the conservatives, won't let him. For if he were to win it would destroy the Republican Party and everything it has stood for over the many years.
A real man of you word, you are.

Wren wrote:
SilentReader wrote:
Wren wrote:
SilentReader wrote:

We are with McCain on the War and on being fiscally concervative. What we were not with him on was McCain-Feingold, immigration, not supporting the tax cuts, and the Gang of 14 (McCain has justifed that by saying he wanted to get things done).

Since he has gained the nomination McCain has stated that he will make permanent the Bush tax cuts, and he will secure the border. I believe him. Whatever McCain is, I think he is a man of his word. And we will hold him to it.

You are right, he is a man of his word. And his word is to purge neo-cons. Good bye, SR.

He has never said that.

Do you really think he would tell Pod and the others to their faces they are going to go once he gets elected? He has a use for them right now, but afterwards, they are gone. He will rely on the Powell and Rice network to staff State and Defense, then remove the military commanders who are still left who supported the woefully inadequate invasion of Iraq.

Yes, it will be good bye to you and your ilk.

Hah. You would use my own words to disparage me.

Without our support John McCain will not be the next President. As I said, we will support him because we are with him on the war and fiscal conservativeness, and McCain has said he got the message on immigration and he will secure the borders. I believe him.

So, like the Democrats who kicked Joe Lieberman to the curb solely because he disagreed with them on the War, you would kick those who are the backbone of the Republican Party to the curb because they disagreed with McCain on immigration Gang of 14, McCain-Feingold and so forth?

Again, I say, hah. It won't be as easy as that. The kicking to the curb of one man solely because you disagree with him is one thing. But kicking out the many who are the backbone of the GOP is another. And, isn't it McCain who prides himself of reaching out to the other side. Well, now he knows it's time to reach out to us as well. Because, we are not going to shed the genuine beliefs that we've held for a long time. A strong defense for a strong America. Permanent tax cuts. Eradication of the death tax. Fiscal conservativeness. Self reliability vs the welfare state. Less government. Strong on cracking down on illegal immigration while supporting legal immigration. Closing the borders.

truthhurts wrote:
SilentReader wrote:
On the first, neither Scooter Libby, Bush, Cheney or their cabinet lied.
Scooter Libby is a convicted felon, convicted of perjury (hint: perjury means lying under oath) and obstruction of justice by a jury of his peers in a United States Federal Court. As for Bush, Cheney, and his cabinet, just where are those ties of Saddam to 9/11 that they told us about before the war? An before you answer, here is Bush himself later admitting that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Not what was being said before we attacked, though, was it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwbFzCvvSns

Also, regarding those elusive WMD's, here is Cheney:

On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

Where is the evidence of WMD's? Without it, Cheney lied.

Since you Democrats have selective memories let me remind you what your fellow Democrats said about Saddam Hussein, will you?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
- http://www.cnn.com/US/9802/04/us.un.iraq/

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
- http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/18/iraq.political.analysis/

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
- http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/01/iraq/

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
- http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/iraq172.htm

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
- http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/17/wh.critics/

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
- http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:u62ZeSGUfj0J:washingtontimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm+"Saddam+Hussein+has+been+engaged+in+the+development+of
+weapons+of+mass+destruction+technology+which+is+a+threat+to+countries+in+the+region+and+he+has+made+a+moc

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
- http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:u62ZeSGUfj0J:washingtontimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm+"Hussein+has+...+chosen+to+spend+his+money
+on+building+weapons+of+mass+destruction+and+palaces+for+his+cronies."&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
- http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/4136328.htm

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/gore_text092302.html

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/gore_text092302.html

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
- http://kennedy.senate.gov/~kennedy/statements/02/10/2002A07621.html

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
- http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:u62ZeSGUfj0J:washingtontimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm+"Saddam+Hussein+has+been+engaged+in+the+development+of+weapons+of
+mass+destruction+technology+which+is+a+threat+to+countries+in+the+region+and+he+has+made+a+moc

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
- http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2002_1009.html

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
- http://www.senate.gov/~rockefeller/news/2002/flrstmt0102002.html

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
- http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DL12Ak02.html

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
- http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2003_0123.html

Did they all lie too?

A sad milestone was reached today in Iraq, and day that also saw 60 or so more Iraqi's killed.

BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb killed four U.S. soldiers in Baghdad on Sunday, the military said, pushing the overall American death toll in the five-year war to at least 4,000.

The grim milestone came on the same day that rockets and mortars pounded the U.S.-protected Green Zone, underscoring the fragile security situation and the resilience of both Sunni and Shiite extremist groups despite an overall lull in violence.

A Multi-National Division — Baghdad soldier also was wounded in the roadside bombing, which struck the soldiers' patrol vehicle about 10 p.m. in southern Baghdad, according to a statement.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Oh, BTW RushReader, regarding the comments you made about the Democratic politicians who supported the War in Iraq, you left out one key detail.

They were operating under the belief that Saddam really did have WMD's. And who supplied that information that he did have WMD's? Bush, Cheney, and the intelligence agencies, who answer to Bush. They were lied to, and made bad decisions based on the lies they were told.

You would have the ones being lied to having the same culpability as the liars. Figures.

Make no mistake about it both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will declare retreat and defeat if they get into power, no matter that they will call it by their chosen white-washed term of redeployment. Defeat it will be. And all our troop's hard work and sacrifice will be in vain.

That will be the hard truth of a Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton Presidency.

That's why we conservatives will support John McCain in the end. To prevent the next Jihadist holocaust.

Further, it is in the characters of both Obama and Clinton to fight to the bitter end and it will probably end up in a brokered Democratic convention. Maybe it's in the Democratic nature also to sabotage their own victory.

By the way, if the Republican Party had the same rules as the Democratic Party McCain would have had more of run for his money. As it was Guiliani and Thompson dropped out, and then Romney, and the Liberal media had already picked their candidate anyway. John McCain.

Now that the Liberal media's Republican candidate has won they will go on to rip him apart until the people vote and settle it all.

That's the sad state of affairs. At least in this 2008 contention for the Presidency of the greatest country in the world. The U-S-of-A.

God bless America. Preserve it and keep it. Sinners that we all are. Hoping for undeserved everlasting life on this Easter Sunday.