Betz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Betz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
I agree with your post except to point out that the "unworthy" are not invited, it's more that we have qualifications to enter, anybody can go through the process to be qualified, it's not a matter of being unworthy in my mind.

Really? Then why did you say this earlier?

Dubbs wrote:
So.... your a member of the church, why not get yourself worthy to get to the temple would be a logical question.

Come on, are you really this dense? I'm talking about non members in one sense, and a member in another, of couse members have made covenants and therefore are asked if they are honoring those covenants to enter the temple, non members have not made those covenants therefore they are not asked about their worthiness, we are not saying one way or the other their worthiness, because they have not made the covenants. You were a member?

I asked a legitimate question and pointed out one of your many contradictions, so, of course, you have to attack me. Pitiful. You know and I know there are a list of requirements to be worthy to enter the temple and it covers every single person. A non-member is NOT worthy to enter the temple starting at the simple reason they are not members.

And as I said, I don't consider a non member who has not taken the covenants an LDS member has, a "non worthy" Maybe you do, but scriptures and talks from the brethen speak of no sin without knowledge, therefore you would be wrong in your assumption.

Life Rocks wrote:
A religious organization has pushed me out of the way,

Acutally, that was your decision, you have a blame others complex. Your ex-wife says this about you dosen't she? Be honest with yourself.


I'm delusional yet it's the Church that teaches you your underwear will protect you.

I'm out of touch and Utah has the highest use of anti-depression medication in the country.

I'm needing help and Utah has one of the highest rates of bankruptcy in the country.

Things that make you go hmmmm?

You're right, this isn't the forum to take this concern.

Gasp, the church must not be true!! The things people find to leave the church over. Tell us, what is the real sin behind you leaving?

Life Rocks wrote:
I've tried to be respectful. I'm a dad arguing for the right as a father to participate in an important life event of my children. A religious organization has pushed me out of the way, it's members are actually defending the practice and I find that pretty despicable.

You tried to be respectful? You made the statement that members of the Church are arrogant and feel superior. That fits you exactly. I'm sure the 23 years you were a member you were one of those who are "the arrogant I'm right your wrong superior types", because that's what you've been doing here the whole time. You haven't shown any concern for your daughter's feelings, only for own. And you want us to feel sorry for you? It's your daughter that has our sympathy. A grown man wimping and whaling to anyone and everone how horrible his daughter's wedding was is just pathetic. Any man that would raise their daughter their entire life in a certain belief and then at the last minute have an epiphany how horrible it is and get bent out of shape that they were married in that belief is not much of a man. Take a good look in a mirror before you start calling somone else dispicable.

By the way, the Sikh and the hindus and Jewish temples, and Buddist all have similar beliefs, why not start a world wide whine fest?

By the way, the Sikh and the hindus and Jewish temples, and Buddist all have similar beliefs, why not start a world wide whine fest?

Well, here we are. . .I believe we've said all we can say to LifeRocks. I feel we've been respectful, with even Dubbs reining himself in. Advice given was very good, but, in my opinion, has fallen on deliberately deaf ears.

I sincerely believe WE'RE DONE!!! Next topic!