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Re:LDS Emotional Extortion at temple weddings 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago

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Dubbs wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
[Jaye, your posts are usually very thoughtful. However, you said something that bothers me, and please correct me if I misinterpreted your words. So, you believe in scripture/doctrine if it appeals to you, and then disregard the rest without thought about being accountable for that disregard? Are you a member of the church in good standing? '

Don't try to figure out Jaye, His beliefs are so full of contradiction it's impossible. He says he believes in the BofM, but then says things were inserted by Joseph for his own purposes, He claims to not believe in all of the D&C, yet follows the word of wisdom, except he drinks actual alchoholic wine for his sacrament, I could go on, but he's one of the fanatical outliers every church has.

Would you keep on the subject instead of attacking Jaye.

Oh, and speaking of the subject, where is the proof I asked you for on your claims about the Buddhist, Sihk, Jewish, and Hindu weddings?

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Words for Dubbs from an apostle: "More regrettable than the [LDS] Church being accused of not being Christian is when church members react to such accusations in an un-Christlike way," Apostle Robert D. Hales said on the second day of the two-day conference. "Surely our Heavenly Father is saddened - and the devil laughs - when we contentiously debate doctrinal differences with our Christian neighbors."

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Re:LDS Emotional Extortion at temple weddings 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago

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Let me say, I certainly appreciate all the comments made here...pro or con...whether you agree with me or not...you took some time out of your valuable lives to respond.

I'm really going to take to heart the suggestions you've made here. I think I got out of this what I came for.

I don't have the same belief about the Church as I did. I guess it's because I see all of us as human beings first, as children of God then after that whatever religion you want to subscribe to.
I find religious belief as a source of problems in the world when we have so much more in common as human beings.

The ritual exists for the people. Without the people all religious organizations cease to exist. We create ritual to add meaning to our lives. I find fault with the Church for having this kind of practice at all. It seems so scathingly cruel.

I have a tough time imagining someone you respect called "God the Father" allowing such an event to take place wouldn't include everyone. It's a family event.

The thought occurs to me...Have any of you actually been to a non LDS wedding? Perhaps I shouldn't assume anything here.

And worse yet, the members have become so accustomed to not challenging anything the Church leaders teach, they willing accept it.

I support an organization where we go to Mexico regularly to build homes for the homeless. (you want a wildly amazing life changing experience check out www.corazon.org--crazy fun!)I took all of my children many times so they could see what service looked like and actually participate in it.

I had a belief about what marriage is and had some expectations about how things would be. When I left the Church, I hadn't thought about what was coming down the pike. I've never been to another LDS wedding ceremony other than my own.

I was told as the father of my home that I held some important place. I saw all of these people who had been my friends, including my wife and children leave me behind. I've never felt so much rejection in my life. I wonder how you feel about going to a wedding ceremony that a parent has been excluded from going to?

When you pass the mother on your way into the temple, how do you feel about that?

I guess "if God has set certain tasks to achieve exaltation" and it brings up this kind of conflict where you have to choose between a religious ceremony and your loved ones who have done nothing wrong...I'd be wondering if what I was doing really was "a task to achieve exaltation." My opinion.

Some have asked if I had talked to my daughters about this. I was disappointed with my wife and my kids too. My whole life I've always put them first. Because I had a really lousy home life, I went to great lengths to do much more. I rearranged my life to be an attentive, available, involved dad. What this experience tells me is that no matter what you say or do for your wife or kids matters. There's nothing in my life or world that I value that I would have picked my over my kids (LDS Church included).

I'm wondering what all of you will do if and when the Church decides on some new doctrine that you find as difficult to live as polygamy was for the early Saints?

As for ring ceremonies or second services...they sort of did something like that. Sure made me feel special. makes me wonder who made up the "one year waiting rule"?

There's no question, sometimes in life you make some choices and there are a lot of "unintended consequences" that follow that you can't see at the time you make the original choice. I made some choices in my life early on about believing the "brethren" that I'm paying a price for.

All of your lives matter.
It'll be over before we know it.
Make the most of the time you have here on this planet.
Honour your parents.
Make a difference.
Do something great and wonderful with your lives.

Thanks again for your comments.

Again, after numerous people have asked, not sure why your avoiding it, have you asked your kids about their decision? Where's your wife at with the church and your decision?

I just don't think we are getting the WHOLE story here, I've known kids to do ring ceremony's, a seperate wedding for non members, your kids did nothing, why is that?

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Re:LDS Emotional Extortion at temple weddings 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago

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Betz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
[Jaye, your posts are usually very thoughtful. However, you said something that bothers me, and please correct me if I misinterpreted your words. So, you believe in scripture/doctrine if it appeals to you, and then disregard the rest without thought about being accountable for that disregard? Are you a member of the church in good standing? '

Don't try to figure out Jaye, His beliefs are so full of contradiction it's impossible. He says he believes in the BofM, but then says things were inserted by Joseph for his own purposes, He claims to not believe in all of the D&C, yet follows the word of wisdom, except he drinks actual alchoholic wine for his sacrament, I could go on, but he's one of the fanatical outliers every church has.

Would you keep on the subject instead of attacking Jaye.

Oh, and speaking of the subject, where is the proof I asked you for on your claims about the Buddhist, Sihk, Jewish, and Hindu weddings?

Just from friends I've talked to over the years.

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Re:LDS Emotional Extortion at temple weddings 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago

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Dubbs wrote:
Betz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
[Jaye, your posts are usually very thoughtful. However, you said something that bothers me, and please correct me if I misinterpreted your words. So, you believe in scripture/doctrine if it appeals to you, and then disregard the rest without thought about being accountable for that disregard? Are you a member of the church in good standing? '

Don't try to figure out Jaye, His beliefs are so full of contradiction it's impossible. He says he believes in the BofM, but then says things were inserted by Joseph for his own purposes, He claims to not believe in all of the D&C, yet follows the word of wisdom, except he drinks actual alchoholic wine for his sacrament, I could go on, but he's one of the fanatical outliers every church has.

Would you keep on the subject instead of attacking Jaye.

Oh, and speaking of the subject, where is the proof I asked you for on your claims about the Buddhist, Sihk, Jewish, and Hindu weddings?

Just from friends I've talked to over the years.

There you go . . . more lies.

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Re:LDS Emotional Extortion at temple weddings 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago

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Betz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Betz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
[Jaye, your posts are usually very thoughtful. However, you said something that bothers me, and please correct me if I misinterpreted your words. So, you believe in scripture/doctrine if it appeals to you, and then disregard the rest without thought about being accountable for that disregard? Are you a member of the church in good standing? '

Don't try to figure out Jaye, His beliefs are so full of contradiction it's impossible. He says he believes in the BofM, but then says things were inserted by Joseph for his own purposes, He claims to not believe in all of the D&C, yet follows the word of wisdom, except he drinks actual alchoholic wine for his sacrament, I could go on, but he's one of the fanatical outliers every church has.

Would you keep on the subject instead of attacking Jaye.

Oh, and speaking of the subject, where is the proof I asked you for on your claims about the Buddhist, Sihk, Jewish, and Hindu weddings?

Just from friends I've talked to over the years.

There you go . . . more lies.

Missionaries go all over the world, so it makes sense I'd have friends who have taught those faiths before, and know their beliefs. But believe what you like, makes no difference to me.

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Re:LDS Emotional Extortion at temple weddings 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago

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Dubbs wrote:
Betz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Betz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
[Jaye, your posts are usually very thoughtful. However, you said something that bothers me, and please correct me if I misinterpreted your words. So, you believe in scripture/doctrine if it appeals to you, and then disregard the rest without thought about being accountable for that disregard? Are you a member of the church in good standing? '

Don't try to figure out Jaye, His beliefs are so full of contradiction it's impossible. He says he believes in the BofM, but then says things were inserted by Joseph for his own purposes, He claims to not believe in all of the D&C, yet follows the word of wisdom, except he drinks actual alchoholic wine for his sacrament, I could go on, but he's one of the fanatical outliers every church has.

Would you keep on the subject instead of attacking Jaye.

Oh, and speaking of the subject, where is the proof I asked you for on your claims about the Buddhist, Sihk, Jewish, and Hindu weddings?

Just from friends I've talked to over the years.

There you go . . . more lies.

Missionaries go all over the world, so it makes sense I'd have friends who have taught those faiths before, and know their beliefs. But believe what you like, makes no difference to me.

Makes me laugh that I give you links to the actual wedding ceremony details, yet you still won't admit you're wrong.