ThomasK wrote:
Life Rocks wrote:

As for being angry about this. You bet I'm angry. Anger in this instance is more than justified. I think God is angry too. The thought occurs to me that "God the Father", knowing how hard it is to be a parent, has a special place for devoted dads. A normal father who loves his kids should be angry at such a practice.

So you're really really really angry that the Church didn't allow you to go inside the temple at your daughters Sealing because you think the Church is a bunch of hooey. I got that.

So if one of your other 8 children, that you raised LDS, decides to join the Church of Satan and invites you to attend their wedding where you actually get to go inside. And they sacrifice an animal and drink its blood. You would be very very happy. Because witnessing that is very very important to you. I get it.

You're a great dad.

You'd think he'd be happy they are actually doing something he couldn't, live up to their covenants and beliefs, without wavering to the whims of the world. His poor kids, there Dad hates the thing he taught them was truth.

Dubbs wrote:
Should all religions change their sacred buildings "rules" to accomodate the non beleivers? come on dude, your being ridiculous. Get back to church and get worthy bro, you can do it. Give your family a real worthy priesthood holder in their home that they deserve and are begging for in their prayers.

Please provide a list of religions that bar family members from being at a couples marriage due to rules regarding sacred buildings? I mean, that is the topic and all . . .

Life Rocks, you've gotten some good, honest feedback, but instead of commenting on that you seem to want to concentrate on your anger and hurt. Go for it, that is your choice. It is very unlikely that you will get what you want that way; the LDS church isn't going to listen to one more person ranting and raving about their practices more than say, they would if you wrote them a reasonable letter asking for consideration, or at a minimum clarification of the practice.

I would say again, I don't think what you are doing is right or justified. Your child made a choice to marry in this fashion - support them! Instead you seem to want to bad mouth the practice they chose to everyone who will listen.

I don't care what you think you were entitled to as a parent (and I'm a parent myself) but you have no right to rant and rave that the way your child married excluded you. This is not about you, this is about them. This is their church, their ceremony and their choice. You can cry foul at the top of your lungs and maybe, just maybe, you will get what you want, but I seriously doubt it. Instead you will only accomplish making people upset and hurting feelings.

I'm not even LDS but I agree that the LDS has every right to exclude the "unworthy" from this ceremony and to choose just who is and who is not "worhty" by their standards. I support their right to do this and I don't want to see them, or any other church, change to accommodate parents who can't see what this might mean to anyone but them.

I'll step off of my soap box now. Life Rocks, I wish you all the best and I hope you find peace with this issue someday.

Dubbs wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
Life Rocks wrote:

As for being angry about this. You bet I'm angry. Anger in this instance is more than justified. I think God is angry too. The thought occurs to me that "God the Father", knowing how hard it is to be a parent, has a special place for devoted dads. A normal father who loves his kids should be angry at such a practice.

So you're really really really angry that the Church didn't allow you to go inside the temple at your daughters Sealing because you think the Church is a bunch of hooey. I got that.

So if one of your other 8 children, that you raised LDS, decides to join the Church of Satan and invites you to attend their wedding where you actually get to go inside. And they sacrifice an animal and drink its blood. You would be very very happy. Because witnessing that is very very important to you. I get it.

You're a great dad.

You'd think he'd be happy they are actually doing something he couldn't, live up to their covenants and beliefs, without wavering to the whims of the world. His poor kids, there Dad hates the thing he taught them was truth.


We see certainly see things differently. If I were to talk about a Catholic Priest misusing young children, we could agree on that. It's wrong.
If we talk about the abuses in the FLDS faith, we probably will agree on that. That's wrong too!

But if we talk about something the LDS Church does that offends tens of thousands of people in something so basic as marriage being a family event...I guess that's to hard to address since it would mean looking at yourself. I shake my head in disgust. Shame on all of you.

I see this as thinking for myself for a change and taking a stand for what's right, something people who are obsessed with "following the rules" can't do.

It seems you're more concerned with "membership" and "being a good Mormon" rather than recognizing that what the Church is doing is wrong. And even if you could see it, because you've been so conditioned to "follow the brethren" you can't stand up for yourself. And by so doing, that makes you an accomplice.

Life Rocks wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
Life Rocks wrote:

As for being angry about this. You bet I'm angry. Anger in this instance is more than justified. I think God is angry too. The thought occurs to me that "God the Father", knowing how hard it is to be a parent, has a special place for devoted dads. A normal father who loves his kids should be angry at such a practice.

So you're really really really angry that the Church didn't allow you to go inside the temple at your daughters Sealing because you think the Church is a bunch of hooey. I got that.

So if one of your other 8 children, that you raised LDS, decides to join the Church of Satan and invites you to attend their wedding where you actually get to go inside. And they sacrifice an animal and drink its blood. You would be very very happy. Because witnessing that is very very important to you. I get it.

You're a great dad.

You'd think he'd be happy they are actually doing something he couldn't, live up to their covenants and beliefs, without wavering to the whims of the world. His poor kids, there Dad hates the thing he taught them was truth.


We see certainly see things differently. If I were to talk about a Catholic Priest misusing young children, we could agree on that. It's wrong.
If we talk about the abuses in the FLDS faith, we probably will agree on that. That's wrong too!

But if we talk about something the LDS Church does that offends tens of thousands of people in something so basic as marriage being a family event...I guess that's to hard to address since it would mean looking at yourself. I shake my head in disgust. Shame on all of you.

I see this as thinking for myself for a change and taking a stand for what's right, something people who are obsessed with "following the rules" can't do.

It seems you're more concerned with "membership" and "being a good Mormon" rather than recognizing that what the Church is doing is wrong. And even if you could see it, because you've been so conditioned to "follow the brethren" you can't stand up for yourself. And by so doing, that makes you an accomplice.

Shame on us? For what, being reasonable? Honestly, not everyone is slamming on you, there are just as many posts offering advice, and not everyone cares about LDS membership standing...just because someone disagrees with your opinion on the issue doesn't make them LDS.

If you want to talk about church leaders misusing young children or other such abuses, I'm all for nodding my head in agreement. But I won't say that being excluded from a religious ceremony is even remotely the same thing.

ThomasK wrote:
Life Rocks wrote:

As for being angry about this. You bet I'm angry. Anger in this instance is more than justified. I think God is angry too. The thought occurs to me that "God the Father", knowing how hard it is to be a parent, has a special place for devoted dads. A normal father who loves his kids should be angry at such a practice.

So you're really really really angry that the Church didn't allow you to go inside the temple at your daughters Sealing because you think the Church is a bunch of hooey. I got that.

So if one of your other 8 children, that you raised LDS, decides to join the Church of Satan and invites you to attend their wedding where you actually get to go inside. And they sacrifice an animal and drink its blood. You would be very very happy. Because witnessing that is very very important to you. I get it.

You're a great dad.

With all due respect to you, you don't want to go there at all.

Interesting you made the connection.
Some people think the LDS Church is of Satan. While the LDS Church has changed it's practice, in terms of the Temple ceremony used to contain some pretty gruesome threats of self-sacrifice. I'm sure you can't acknowledge the similarity.

It's replies like this that remind me just how glad I am to be out of the Church.

And yes, I was/am a terrific father!