Jaye wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Betz wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:

There is a problem with this forum. . .We can't see each other's facial expressions, or if we're laughing, crying, etc. as we read and post our comments. I was chuckling a little when I read your post about discussions with an "old" man, Jaye. As for declaring my age in my comment, I just wanted to let you know I'm no spring chicken chronologically. No offense was intended on your part, therefore, none taken. Anyone for web cams?

Hmmmmm . . . webcams. That could get us into trouble when the topic of chocolate sauce and plastic sheeting comes up - as it does on a regular basis!

Especially when it comes to Sir John racing for a cold shower every 5 minutes.
Now that you mention that, we must get webcams!


Ooooooo...KitKat's feeling frisky.

Oops I bet she got into the cat-nip again!!

Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Once again...the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife.

BTW Kent...Wren coined the 'Bitter-Bob' bit. Not you.

Jaye, Bitter Bob did use it infrequently in the lower-case to apply to obnoxious, frustrated individuals with their religions, so I have appropriately coined him with it in the upper case.

I believe we should all use it as an approriate address to him.

Ahhh...he did? I stand corrected. Very honest of you Wren.

And I apologize to Kent for not remembering that he had coined the term.

And another example of Jaye making happy crappy up to make his posts better. Just as he claimed I had been banned from this site, JB's site, and many other things he's claimed that turned out to be not true. Jaye has been shown at the very least, a know it all, that really knows nothing, at the most, a liar. Classic.

Classic of Bitter Bob to miskew what others say to make his pretend-self look better. Jaye's accuracy record is at least 99.9%, while Dubbs' is probably less than a 1/3rd of Jaye.

Yes, Bitter Bob has been banned from this cite at least twice, and to deny it is an outright lie. Another lie is that he is any kind of martial arts fighter. He has given no proof, so readers can accept that he is just blowing hard for his ego, not because he was fighting.

Yes, Bitter Bob, you are right for inferring yourself as a liar.

Jaye wrote:
Jaye wrote:


Life Rocks...in my earlier post...I asked you these 2 questions.
1. What sort of redress are you seeking L.R.?

2. What do you expect the media and the government to do to assist you in your dilemma?

It's clear to me here that those in the Church aren't likely to do anything to accommodate anyone who finds anything at all wrong with how the Church operates. Those in the Church believe whole heartedly that the Church is perfect and that it's the members that need perfecting.

Consequently, anyone who claims foul will have to go outside the Church to get help when up against the LDS Church.

What I'll do is make the entire country aware of this situation so that people considering the Church will know the "fine print" of what they're getting into. I remember vividly my second mission president came up with the "Baptize now" program which suggested we challenge our investigators on the first discussion before they knew anything about the Church citing the stupid milk before meat garbage.

I don't know if I have grounds for a lawsuit here, but I'll check. This emotional distress is just as real as any problem anyone has in any other area of life.

I'll see if I can't change how weddings are done here in the US so that it's done as it is in Europe and Mexico where weddings are done civily first. I'm sure most people (I wasn't) aware that the Church has different rules for different countries.

Here everyone is weaned on "the only place in God's eyes is to marry is in the Temple". No one likely has asked Cree-l what his position is on countries that don't allow that in which case he'll retreat to following the laws of the land and let God sort it out.

The Church is highly sensitive to it's image and to the law.

This is new ground for me.

When I started this I didn't know where it would lead.

The only reason they use David and Goliath as a story is because David won.

You go to downtown Salt Lake and are so impressed with the Church's holdings. I see it as a theocracy and a huge, cold business. I don't see it as a source of spirituality. I don't understand why a Church needs to be worth billions and billions and feels the need to control everything.

What I would prefer to have happen is for the church to recognize that it's created something that hurts others and to do something to accommodate the parents and families of those who get married in their Temples rather than have the "screw you" attitude which it has.

Always trying to be respectful of those who have taken their time to reply inspite of our differing opinions. Good luck and best wishes to all.

Life Rocks wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Jaye wrote:


Life Rocks...in my earlier post...I asked you these 2 questions.
1. What sort of redress are you seeking L.R.?

2. What do you expect the media and the government to do to assist you in your dilemma?

It's clear to me here that those in the Church aren't likely to do anything to accommodate anyone who finds anything at all wrong with how the Church operates. Those in the Church believe whole heartedly that the Church is perfect and that it's the members that need perfecting.

Consequently, anyone who claims foul will have to go outside the Church to get help when up against the LDS Church.

What I'll do is make the entire country aware of this situation so that people considering the Church will know the "fine print" of what they're getting into. I remember vividly my second mission president came up with the "Baptize now" program which suggested we challenge our investigators on the first discussion before they knew anything about the Church citing the stupid milk before meat garbage.

I don't know if I have grounds for a lawsuit here, but I'll check. This emotional distress is just as real as any problem anyone has in any other area of life.

I'll see if I can't change how weddings are done here in the US so that it's done as it is in Europe and Mexico where weddings are done civily first. I'm sure most people (I wasn't) aware that the Church has different rules for different countries.

Here everyone is weaned on "the only place in God's eyes is to marry is in the Temple". No one likely has asked Cree-l what his position is on countries that don't allow that in which case he'll retreat to following the laws of the land and let God sort it out.

The Church is highly sensitive to it's image and to the law.

This is new ground for me.

When I started this I didn't know where it would lead.

The only reason they use David and Goliath as a story is because David won.

You go to downtown Salt Lake and are so impressed with the Church's holdings. I see it as a theocracy and a huge, cold business. I don't see it as a source of spirituality. I don't understand why a Church needs to be worth billions and billions and feels the need to control everything.

What I would prefer to have happen is for the church to recognize that it's created something that hurts others and to do something to accommodate the parents and families of those who get married in their Temples rather than have the "screw you" attitude which it has.

Always trying to be respectful of those who have taken their time to reply inspite of our differing opinions. Good luck and best wishes to all.
At one point, I felt for you. No more. You are beginning to disgust me. You think you may have grounds for a lawsuit? And you claim you're being respectful? Yes, at first you were, but you are letting more and more bitterness show.

You still have not said how your daughters/wife feel about this. You continually evade.

You've offically moved on from your questioning the church on the temple thing to just plain bashing the church, time to move on dude, we see it over and over here from those who leave the church, they become bitter at the church they left. Bashing it, not realizing that your family is still a member of the church and loves the church, don't turn into the "bitter bob" syndrome as I've named it here bro, move on, respect your family and their decisions in life. Look at yours and ask yourself if it truly has made you a happier person. Outwardly it appears not to have, but made you an angry, sort of obnoxious personality that has to go around bashing others faith to see if that will help, it doesn't.

Hey, Bitter Bob, you appear frustrated, anxious, often obnoxious -- obviously the LDS church has made you a bitter man. Try something different.

I gotta agree with others on this one, dude. Your bitterness will likely end with consequences much worse that what you face now. If you think tearing down the church is worth pursuing....go for it. But you say you love your kids - or did, anyhow. How will your wife and children feel about you "chasing the rattlesnake" for this one? (If you dont' remember that story...maybe someone can explain it.) When you pick up one end of the stick, you pick up the other end. Can't choose consequences.

Life Rocks wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Jaye wrote:


Life Rocks...in my earlier post...I asked you these 2 questions.
1. What sort of redress are you seeking L.R.?

2. What do you expect the media and the government to do to assist you in your dilemma?

It's clear to me here that those in the Church aren't likely to do anything to accommodate anyone who finds anything at all wrong with how the Church operates. Those in the Church believe whole heartedly that the Church is perfect and that it's the members that need perfecting.

Consequently, anyone who claims foul will have to go outside the Church to get help when up against the LDS Church.

What I'll do is make the entire country aware of this situation so that people considering the Church will know the "fine print" of what they're getting into. I remember vividly my second mission president came up with the "Baptize now" program which suggested we challenge our investigators on the first discussion before they knew anything about the Church citing the stupid milk before meat garbage.

I don't know if I have grounds for a lawsuit here, but I'll check. This emotional distress is just as real as any problem anyone has in any other area of life.

I'll see if I can't change how weddings are done here in the US so that it's done as it is in Europe and Mexico where weddings are done civily first. I'm sure most people (I wasn't) aware that the Church has different rules for different countries.

Here everyone is weaned on "the only place in God's eyes is to marry is in the Temple". No one likely has asked Cree-l what his position is on countries that don't allow that in which case he'll retreat to following the laws of the land and let God sort it out.

The Church is highly sensitive to it's image and to the law.

This is new ground for me.

When I started this I didn't know where it would lead.

The only reason they use David and Goliath as a story is because David won.

You go to downtown Salt Lake and are so impressed with the Church's holdings. I see it as a theocracy and a huge, cold business. I don't see it as a source of spirituality. I don't understand why a Church needs to be worth billions and billions and feels the need to control everything.

What I would prefer to have happen is for the church to recognize that it's created something that hurts others and to do something to accommodate the parents and families of those who get married in their Temples rather than have the "screw you" attitude which it has.

Always trying to be respectful of those who have taken their time to reply inspite of our differing opinions. Good luck and best wishes to all.

You are certainly entitled to your perceptions, interpretations, opinions, etc. I disagree with what you say you hope to accomplish but best of luck.