I take it by your statement, Utocoman, that you are a family oriented man?(opposed to an LDS family) Please tell the board what you do to keep your life and family as a whole, family oriented. This my be very interesting.

With Bitter Bob's continued plaint that he is not 'real' here and we can't know anyone, then his mocker of others demonstrates he is delusional by his own standards and a simple mocker of himself.

What else would you expect the fruits of a pretend-brain to be?

I'm currently visiting my sisters in Canada. This morning i was helping my one sister with some chores around her home (both she and her husband just can't climb ladders like they used to)and a man came out of the house next door wearing one of those turbin style wraps on his head.

I went over and introduced myself and asked where he was from, the significance of the turbin etc etc. He told me he was of the Sikh faith and so I asked him, "If your daughter or son were to marry and they had friends who were not Sikhs would they be permitted to attend the wedding." He said, "Of course".

So far other world religions 5 Mormons 0 in case anyone's counting.

I knew Cree-L personally before he became a General Authority. He was a high powered attorney in Pasadena, was the Stake Pres. in Pasadena stake, then a patriarch, before becoming a General Authority. Nice guy...and certainly he is entitled to his opinion. I no doubt expect that he and I wouldn't agree on a number of topics any longer. The only topics we ever talked about were Church related.

Given the reputation of attorneys in society I never understood why so many people in the Church aspired to that career choice.

I had come back to add the information about the Sikhs and when see the level of disrespect that this has declined to, frankly it troubles me and it confirms my opinion about religion. Disagree all you want but as Latter-day Saints, or Christians ought you not show some respect for each other? I thought everyone was suppose to be a Child of God, a brother or sister? part of the human family?

We may disagree vehemently. Just like those who fight in the wars feel there's some sacred cloth the flag's made from. Other's feel it's their sacred right to voice whatever opinion that comes into their heads.

That's why i prefer to focus on what we have in common as human beings. We come into this world so pure and innocent and then our parents and families and Churchs and schools and governments and societies and the media all distort our views and our sensibilities. Someone makes up some rule...this government started with no tax at all and now it feels it has every right to take as much of our income as it pleases and no one says anything or at least does anything about it. Who decided that they could intrude this much into our lives?

A religion makes up some doctrine or policy that disappoints so many people and those who are members say, "It's our right to believe as we want" and "we're right and you're wrong" (even though it's not you who brought these children into the world, raised and fed them, educated them.

Another human being would recognize my place as a father to participate with my children in their weddings.

A religious zealot would not.

I get tremendous support outside the Church.
People outside the Church control the government and media.

If the Church won't reply in a favourable manner I'll get redress from those who will listen.

And again,I thank all those who have taken the time to comment whether we agree or not.

In my earlier post...I asked you these 2 questions.
1. What sort of redress are you seeking L.R.?

2. What do you expect the media and the government to do to assist you in your dilemma?

Girl Raised in the South wrote:
Life Rocks wrote:
I wasn't planning to post any more on this subject here, but something came up.

For those who may be wondering, I checked with a woman in a comparative world religion class who is Muslim and asked her, "If you were getting married as a Muslim to another Muslim and wanted to invite a non-Muslim, could they attend your wedding."

To which she replied, "Why yes, of course."

So I've talked to a Jew, a Hindu, a Buddhist and Muslim and all say non-members are permitted to attend their weddings...except for the Mormon Temple wedding.

Hmmmmmm.

Welcome back, LifeRocks. Of course they would invite non-members to their weddings because it is permitted in their religions. Every religion has their own unique qualifications. We're not like everyone else.

Wow! I just checked back with all of the posts since my last post. To those who consider themselves active LDS, it disappointed me to see the garments and temple clothing posted here. I don't think of them as sacred, but you do and it's never been my purpose to ridicule your beliefs even if I find them hurtful.

Girl, I respectfully disagree with you.

You are exactly like everyone else. We are human beings before we are anything else, you seem to forget that.

I don't know if I've shared this with any of you before. I've told the story so many times because the story touches me so much that I tell it a lot, so forgive me if this is repetitive.

All of you must check out the story of Lanier Phillips and the little town of St. Lawrence, Newfoundland. Jeff Edwards has written the story, "Quiet Hero" on military.com. It's the story of Lanier, a black man who in 1942 left Mississippi to get away from the terrible racism of the South. To make a long story short, he ends up in the segregated navy on a destroyer, the USS Truxton which ends up running aground and breaking up while on convey duty.

He is the one black survivor of about 50 sailors who were rescued by the towns people of St. Lawrence. He wakes up, stark naked on a table with 4 white women trying to scrub the oil out of his skin. This part is particularly funny. They're scrubbing and scrubbing...the one woman says, "This poor boy, the oil has got right down into his pores." They had never seen a negro before.

But that didn't stop them from treating him like they would any other human being. They fed him. Clothed him. He says, one woman held his head like a child massaging his body and feeding him warm soup. Racism wasn't a part of their view of the world. They not only changed his life, but they changed his soul.

Latter-day Saints are acting like the old racist south with their old ways of seeing the world.
It would be like those who are in the lifeboats laughing and partying on while there are others who are hurting and crying and drowning.

Tell me what exactly is so Christian or respectful to God about that?

Why would God set up such a system?

My opinion...but I don't understand you point of view. It's pretty heartless.

Life Rocks wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
Life Rocks wrote:
I wasn't planning to post any more on this subject here, but something came up.

For those who may be wondering, I checked with a woman in a comparative world religion class who is Muslim and asked her, "If you were getting married as a Muslim to another Muslim and wanted to invite a non-Muslim, could they attend your wedding."

To which she replied, "Why yes, of course."

So I've talked to a Jew, a Hindu, a Buddhist and Muslim and all say non-members are permitted to attend their weddings...except for the Mormon Temple wedding.

Hmmmmmm.

Welcome back, LifeRocks. Of course they would invite non-members to their weddings because it is permitted in their religions. Every religion has their own unique qualifications. We're not like everyone else.

Wow! I just checked back with all of the posts since my last post. To those who consider themselves active LDS, it disappointed me to see the garments and temple clothing posted here. I don't think of them as sacred, but you do and it's never been my purpose to ridicule your beliefs even if I find them hurtful.

Girl, I respectfully disagree with you.

You are exactly like everyone else. We are human beings before we are anything else, you seem to forget that.

I don't know if I've shared this with any of you before. I've told the story so many times because the story touches me so much that I tell it a lot, so forgive me if this is repetitive.

All of you must check out the story of Lanier Phillips and the little town of St. Lawrence, Newfoundland. Jeff Edwards has written the story, "Quiet Hero" on military.com. It's the story of Lanier, a black man who in 1942 left Mississippi to get away from the terrible racism of the South. To make a long story short, he ends up in the segregated navy on a destroyer, the USS Truxton which ends up running aground and breaking up while on convey duty.

He is the one black survivor of about 50 sailors who were rescued by the towns people of St. Lawrence. He wakes up, stark naked on a table with 4 white women trying to scrub the oil out of his skin. This part is particularly funny. They're scrubbing and scrubbing...the one woman says, "This poor boy, the oil has got right down into his pores." They had never seen a negro before.

But that didn't stop them from treating him like they would any other human being. They fed him. Clothed him. He says, one woman held his head like a child massaging his body and feeding him warm soup. Racism wasn't a part of their view of the world. They not only changed his life, but they changed his soul.

Latter-day Saints are acting like the old racist south with their old ways of seeing the world.
It would be like those who are in the lifeboats laughing and partying on while there are others who are hurting and crying and drowning.

Tell me what exactly is so Christian or respectful to God about that?

Why would God set up such a system?

My opinion...but I don't understand you point of view. It's pretty heartless.

In your opinion...would you say that the majority of Mormons are acting like the old racist south, with their old ways of seeing the world?

Or would you say that a certain percentage of these people are incapable of showing tolerance toward others who believe differently than they do...as has been shown here on the forum in reaction to your personal anecdote?