It is painfully obvious to anyone who has gone through the tedium of reading this thread, that Mormons absolutely are not leaving LifeRocks alone.

Do you remember who it was that started this thread in the first place? It wasn't a "Mormon".

Abinadi Junior wrote:


I have also met and communicated with tens of exmormons who have absolutely nothing to do with the Mormon church, so you statement is false. Whether that is an act of intentional deception or the result of innocent ignorance, only you know.

Well excuse me, I didn't know you had spoken to "tens" of ex-mormons. You must be an expert.


It is painfully obvious to anyone who has gone through the tedium of reading this thread, that Mormons absolutely are not leaving LifeRocks alone. Do they think they're going to perform some kind of miracle, by the sheer power of magic words change LifeRock's perception of what he has experienced?

Possibly, as I have given some people in his situation some tough love words and it actual snapped them out of their satanic filled funk, just ask Life Rocks wife how he's changed and become a bitter, depressed, not fun to live with man, that needs to get the light of Christ back in his life before it's too late and he loses his family.


It has been my understanding that Mormons believe that apostates cannot be saved.

Not sure where you heard this, but it is certainly not true. You might try asking a Mormon and not an Ex Mormon that you've have spoken so often to. (smirk)


Fact is, even the very elect will be fooled in the last days.
That pretty much lets me and other more or less normal people off the hook.

Huh? Not at all, it is merely a statement of fact, many will be fooled from believing truth in the last days. Scriptural fact, read the Bible at all?

How about you? Jesus came for the sinners, not the righteous. When he comes again, do you believe he comes not for the merciful (who forgive and embrace apostates), but for the elite?
Christ will come back for his believers, as the Scriptures say. Of course he will show mercy, as I don't believe a loving God will make anyone burn in hell like a pizza for eternity for not believing in him, as is mostly the case for most bible thumping nut jobs.

Abinadi Junior wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Abinadi Junior wrote:
It's a shame none of the priesthood holders had the power of discernment when it came to Mark Hoffman. It's a shame that the one woman who does seem to have had an accurate spirit of discernment about him, being a woman, was disregarded by her priesthood 'betters'.

"Where there is no prophet, the people perish."


Ever hear the story of the Prophet in the Old Testement who was "fooled" by his son trying to get the birthright? Are you going to say the same to this great Prophet?

What do you think? Now who's being silly? Of course I've read it. So many things could be said about that, I hardly know which would serve the purpose of the question best. I will try.

I repeat: It's a shame none of the priesthood holders had the power of discernment when it came to Mark Hoffman. It's a shame that the one woman who does seem to have had an accurate spirit of discernment about him, being a woman, was disregarded by her priesthood 'betters'.

The Mormon prophets - all of them then living, which includes the Fourteen Apostles and God-knows-how-many Seventies and Regional Representatives, and Hoffman's own Stake Officers, Bishopric, and Home Teachers, none of them had the power of discernment that I have been assured all priesthood holders have.

Isaac was pretty much alone as far as prophetic priesthood is concerned (for those who believe that he had a prophetic priesthood). The Mormon prophet had no such excuse. There were many he could have called on, many who should have informed him (that is, if they had had a genuine power of discernment), and some whom he should have believed, and would have, had he had the spirit of discernment at least for the people who were telling him the truth.

The Hoffman affair was not a question of a patriarchal handing down of the birthright, which by the way seems to have been accomplished according to God's will, regardless of Jacob's method.

The Hoffman affair had nothing to do with bequeathing a birthright. It had to do with fraud, theft, forgery, murder, and with the Mormon Church, in the person of the Mormon prophet, being played for a sucker.

I would be curious to know in what way you believe Isaac a "great prophet". He was a patriarch, an important nexus in the Abrahamic lineage. But I do not see that he was "great" compared to other prophets. Perhaps you would elaborate.

What I or anyone else might say to a dead prophet has no bearing whatsoever on the appropriateness or inappropriateness of the actions of the Mormon Church's 20th century prophets. I believe your reference is intended to distract readers from the issue at hand: Where there is no prophet the people perish. You will remember that a number of people perished in Salt Lake City, whose deaths could have been prevented had there been an effective prophet to warn people of what was coming. He could have put the peoples' tithes and offerings to better use, too, than to buy forgeries. That's not responsible stewardship.

I guess to me if your going to excuse a Prophet in the Old Testement, you'd have to offer the same to other leaders who were involved, certainly not as many as you said. It was just a few. Poor logic.

I guess to me if your going to excuse a Prophet in the Old Testement, you'd have to offer the same to other leaders who were involved, certainly not as many as you said. It was just a few. Poor logic.

The Lord can excuse the prophets when He wants, not you or me, Dubbs. You are right; you are guilty of poor logic. Typical.

itchy peaches wrote:
(2) Why can't Mormons leave the ex-members and non-members alone?
Uhh, if you've spent any time here, you know it is exactly the opposite. Ex Mormons can leave the church, but can't leave it alone. Met liferocks?
Yes, I have.

I have also met and communicated with tens of exmormons who have absolutely nothing to do with the Mormon church, so your statement is false. Whether that is an act of intentional deception or the result of innocent ignorance, only you know.

It is painfully obvious to anyone who has gone through the tedium of reading this thread, that Mormons absolutely are not leaving LifeRocks alone. Do they think they're going to perform some kind of miracle, by the sheer power of magic words change LifeRock's perception of what he has experienced?

I think one of you (maybe both) is getting a bit mixed up or misspoke. Life Rocks has absolutely been "left alone" by the LDS Church. In fact, sometimes this has bothered him "if they miss me, why don't they call?" and sometimes it bothers him that they even acknowledge him in the community when they see him. When he asked to be taken off the records of the church, it was done in a timely manner - no one tried to meet with him to discuss it, or to try to persuade him to change his mind. Sorry, guys, but this definitely isn't a case of the Church not leaving him alone to let him "get on with his life." This is a case of him not leaving the Church alone.

If, instead, you mean that there are Mormons on this list who won't "leave him alone", remember - he started the thread and (until recently) seemed to want it to continue in an effort to try to get his point across.

I think his gripe wasn't that they weren't leaving him alone, I'm pretty sure it was that he wasn't allowed in the temple to see the temple weddings of his daughters - who chose with their husbands to get married in the temple, knowing full well that he wouldn't be able to attend (since he officially left the Church a year before and, by LDS standards, wasn't worthy.)

My perspective - for what it's worth

It is worth a lot..... I do hope you continue to be the person you are, and Liferocks doesn't make you the very sad person he seems to be.
Life continues and if he wants to hold a grudge, it will affect all of you .. So sad for his daughters that they have to pick and choose to please him. If he was the GREAT DAD he confesses to be, he needs to move on..... and soon.. JMO

Apparently my wife has made a few posts here that quite frankly I disagree with. She's not telling you the entire situation to her credit. She's shared only the parts that make her side of the story appear more credible. I guess in an LDS friendly environment, I'll always look like the bad guy.

As for leaving this alone...I'd love to leave this alone. I'd love to move on with my life. Unfortunately the Church has such a hold on my wife and children I can't get away from it. Several hours on Sunday...Monday through Friday seminary...meetings for the young men and women...and all the additional activities...at every meal. It never ends.

You are right about one thing though...it is time for me to move on. I don't have much of a place in my own family anymore and I'm tired of being angry with all this.

I just didn't see the train coming.