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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 4 Months ago
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Pittakos wrote:
Marylb wrote:
I have an idea...lets all claim the deceased. I mean they can't fight back. It isn't as if all churches couldn't start claiming everyone deceased for themselves. Now the deceased whose true history is being hijacked can drag this expedient and false footnote around to eternity. Nice. Clever ponzi scheme for any church to make it look like they are bigger than they are.
Can't wait for the other denominations catch up and do the same to expand this game of stealing dead people's history.
This shows how little you and much of the world understand the doctrine and what is really happening. The LDS church does not, repeat, does not claim these people who have died. They are not counted as part of the LDS church. It isn't about numbers or membership or anything like that. The belief is simply that the ordinance is provided for those who did not have the chance to have it in this life. Whether or not, they (the dead) accept this ordinance in their behalf is entirely up to them. They can reject it or accept it. Nobody is forcing them to be a "Mormon". So, nobody's history is being hijacked.
Well put Pitt. The church is simply giving the deceased a choice. Church members feel they are giving the dead something most precious, however it means nothing if the ordinance is not accepted. Most of my ancesters have been baptized in other religions and never had the chance to investigate the church but I feel they should at least be given a choice.
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 4 Months ago
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Just Reading wrote:Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
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Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons 
Condemn? Strong words there John. Or do you think that God is going to force the dead to accept the ordinances if they don't want to?
I know that you figure Mormonism to be crap, and I understand why.
But some of your friends on this forum do not. Please keep that in mind.
Yes Jaye I understand my friends made a choice to become Mormon,
that was and is their decision,
Now if I feel my friend have made a wrong choice I will let them know, and I have,
I still respect my friends and I know they have made their choice so out of respect I do not push them or bug them to make a choice that I feel is right....
but I'm ashammed that Mormons and now it seems that maybe some of my friends do not respect others, who did not choose to be moromon and make that decision for them...
So if you think my words were strong, good they were meant too be...!!!
no one forced my friends to be or not to be Mormon.... and mormons should not force others to become mormon with out their say so.
relitives should not make decisions for their ancestors,
it's like that Mormon Mother and father who took their 19 year old daughter to another state so she couldn't get married because they didn't like the guy.... hey maybe they thought since we make decisions for our ancestors in the Mormon Church we can make choices for everyone....Again you idjit, nobodies forcing anybody to accept the baptism, a long time mormon should know this, why is it no surprise you dont?  Oh, and you don't respect any mormon here, if you act the same way in real life, You will have few friends that used to be LDS, maybe that's ok with you. Probably ok with them now that I think about it.
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Last Edit: 2008/05/05 13:43 By Dubbs.
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Isn't it much better since the ignore came down? Life is so much better not having to respond to the three smarmy sisters of negativity, ahhh, it's like a load has been lifted, they never made an intelligent post anyway, so what are we missing? NOTHING!
My ignore list... Betz, Kitkat, and the blonde. They have nothing of substance to say anyway, but just like to add smarmy comments to the conversations, so why bother with the the constant smariness?
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 4 Months ago
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Dubbs wrote:Just Reading wrote:
Wren wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
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Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons
I get that you don't like Mormonism. So what?
So buttons on your underwear
are you OK Wren..??
Boy, wren's turning into a jackass to everyone, even his buddies, He jumped on Kitkat yesterday, you today.  Oh man.. The things you don't know!
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Dubbs (User)
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 4 Months ago
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I know wren is a jackass, that much I do know.
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Isn't it much better since the ignore came down? Life is so much better not having to respond to the three smarmy sisters of negativity, ahhh, it's like a load has been lifted, they never made an intelligent post anyway, so what are we missing? NOTHING!
My ignore list... Betz, Kitkat, and the blonde. They have nothing of substance to say anyway, but just like to add smarmy comments to the conversations, so why bother with the the constant smariness?
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KitKat (User)
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 4 Months ago
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Dubbs wrote:
I know wren is a jackass, that much I do know.
You ever look in the mirror? Do it. You'll see the original..
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A naughty and piquant wench...and a wicked witch
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 4 Months ago
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KitKat wrote:Dubbs wrote:
I know wren is a jackass, that much I do know.
You ever look in the mirror? Do it. You'll see the original..A-FLIPPETY-MEN!!! 
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