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Dubbs (User)
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 5 Months, 1 Week ago
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KitKat wrote:Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
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Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons 
Condemn? Strong words there John. Or do you think that God is going to force the dead to accept the ordinances if they don't want to?
I know that you figure Mormonism to be crap, and I understand why.
But some of your friends on this forum do not. Please keep that in mind.
Yes Jaye I understand my friends made a choice to become Mormon,
that was and is their decision,
Now if I feel my friend have made a wrong choice I will let them know, and I have,
I still respect my friends and I know they have made their choice so out of respect I do not push them or bug them to make a choice that I feel is right....
but I'm ashammed that Mormons and now it seems that maybe some of my friends do not respect others, who did not choose to be moromon and make that decision for them...
So if you think my words were strong, good they were meant too be...!!!
no one forced my friends to be or not to be Mormon.... and mormons should not force others to become mormon with out their say so.
relitives should not make decisions for their ancestors,
it's like that Mormon Mother and father who took their 19 year old daughter to another state so she couldn't get married because they didn't like the guy.... hey maybe they thought since we make decisions for our ancestors in the Mormon Church we can make choices for everyone....
John, may I say something? What about those of us who are happy in the Church? You have admitted yourself that today's LDS church does do alot of good in the world. I do not believe many things other religions teach, but I give people the right to believe as they do and I won't bash their beliefs. It is all about respecting the beliefs of others. You don't have to accept what the LDS believe. But what does it hurt to respect others? Respect is a two-way street. To get it, you give it.
And that mother and father.. do you honestly think that only happened because they are LDS? More likely, it happened because they have mental issues or are just plain mean. I'd bet my last dollar that those things happen in other faiths too, because we are all human.Very nicely said Kitkat and I totally agree. John, Please reserve your "garments jokes" to somewhere off this forum. It just sounds so CRASS and with no respect to the other posters who are active in the Church. You have ALL the right not to believe as they have the right to believe. RESPECT is the KEY WORD. I find the jokes very offensive. JMO 
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Dubby (DUBBSS) is a Woman HATER, a CRYBABY, a WHINER, a JERK and a BIG TIME SMARMY LOSER!!!!!!!
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Resident husband of a white witch and lover of witches in general.
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 5 Months, 1 Week ago
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Dubbs wrote:Sir John the Apostate wrote:
It will be interesting to see how this plays out in my family. We had some members of the family join an off shoot off the Mormon Church. The rest of the family got together and, agreed that they should withhold the genealogy work they had done from them. Because they didn't want any relatives being baptized into a false religion. It should be great to hear their reaction to this.
How does one withhold genelogy work that was already done?They were in the process of doing it and wouldn't give them any of the information. But as usual you've missed the point. 
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Grizz wrote:According to the book of mormon any one without the Law (gentiles) do not need baptism, they are redeemed regardless, and it is a mockery to God to trust in work for the dead.
Moroni chapter 8
22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—
23 But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works. This is too funny. This is speaking of Children who die before the age of accountability, which is age 8. This is what it is speaking of who don't need baptism you idiot.
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utocoman wrote:
Grizz wrote:
According to the book of mormon any one without the Law (gentiles) do not need baptism, they are redeemed regardless, and it is a mockery to God to trust in work for the dead.
Moroni chapter 8
22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—
23 But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works.
Joseph Smith said our greatest responsibility is to seek after our dead.
"The greatest responsibility in this world that God has laid upon us is to seek after our dead" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 7).
The prophet Malachi in the Old Testement said the same thing.
Both Prophets were right.
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Last Edit: 2008/05/05 17:21 By Dubbs.
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My ignore list... The The The The Betz, Kitcat, and the blonde. They have nothing of substance to say anyway, but just like to add smarmy comments to the conversations, so why bother with the the constant smariness?
Wren would like to think he's ignoring me, but he can't, won't and will not.
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