ThomasK wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
Wren wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
dubbs, in regard to your always claiming that Christian pastors bash Mormons, are you claiming that this goes on during Sunday services?

Where do you get this idea? Have you ever attended any other Christian denominations services where this went on while you were there?

Or are you just guilty of strictly parroting some hateful rumor that you possibly heard during Sunday services or possibly General conference of the LDS church?

Can you provide any evidence of Christian ministers preaching these hateful statements against Mormons from the pulpit?

Now I can produce evidence of Mormon prophets and general authorities bashing Christians from the pulpit,should we look at this evidence?

There is plenty of this "bashing" to go around. There was a post on here just a couple of days ago from an evangelical site that talked about the LDS beliefs as ludicrous etc. So yes, there's plenty to go around. But I do admit, evangelicals are equal opportunity bashers. They dislike everyone. But whats the point? You and dubbs are quite alike in that respect. I don't find much useful in either one of your "discussions".

I would welcome discussing beliefs but it always seems to go downhill here. Your idea of salvation is different than mine, so what. The only way we're going to find out who is right is to kick the bucket. You're welcome to go first and report back.

OK ThomasK, you're obviously forgetting that it is the Mormon Church and its membership who consider all other religions apostate, it is also your religion who considers all others as lacking any authority from God whatsoever.

let's not forget Mormonism's pre-1990 temple ceremony where they portray all Christian ministers as the hirelings of Satan.

And as to your not finding anything useful in my discussions, that's OK because I take my information straight from Mormonism's leaders and you don't like that my little friend.

Our views on salvation ("eternal life with God" definitely differ and sadly for those who have been deceived it's too late once you die.

Look if you don't believe in the LDS Faith, than it doesn't matter if you are an "apostate or lack authority", anymore than your views that I'm "sadly deceived and it's too late once I die", matters to me. Get it little friend?

ThomasK, I understand your feelings about this. However, when a church preaches that it is the only true church with God's authority, expect to be asked for evidence. And expect that you have to produce it. And then expect it to be examined minutely and carefully. It should be, if it is what you claim, and it should stand up to examination, should it not?

I suppose so. We probably need to duke it out with the Catholics, since we're talking about priesthood authority.

In the end, we are talking about Faith. I don't know how you can prove that. Was the Book of Mormon translated from anceint plates? The only way we can know that is if the angel Moroni shows them to us. Was Joseph Smith ordained by John the Baptist? Sounds far fetched, doesn't it. Is the Bible the word of God? What evidence is there? Is there a GOD? Prove it. If we are made in His image, would that be Asian, African, Caucasian, Indian......

Now wait a minute ThomasK is it the Angel Moroni or the Angel Nephi that we should talk too ??
because Joseph Smith identified the angel as "Nephi" not "Moroni", That was changed later on by Joseph and the Church because it made better sense that Moroni had the Gold Plates then Nephi having them...

on May 2, 1838 Smith began dictating a church history that included a detailed account of his visits from the angel (Smith 1838a, p. 7). Smith identified the angel as "Nephi", which is the name of the Book of Mormon's first narrator, not Moroni,
In the Times and Seasons, which Smith edited himself (Smith 1842, p. 753), and in Millennial Star (Pratt 1842, p. 53). Joseph Smith repeated again that the Angels name was "Nephi" also in the first edition of the Pearl of Great Price (Richards 1851, p. 41). It was also repeated that the Angels Name who gave him the golden plates was "Nephi"
even in 1853 when Smith's mother Lucy Mack Smith published a history of her son (Smith 1853, p. 79). She said that the Angels name was "Nephi" as told to her by her Son...

It's hard to tell, they all look alike to me. Although, Moroni was a Nephite.

JR, I'm probably the wrong one to debate these things with. Bearyb would be much better at this than me. I know this is going to sound dumbfounding, for lack of a better term. And it's going to frustrate the hell out of you. It really doesn't matter to me. I'm not in this to prove/disprove anyone else's beliefs or even my own. I believe in God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. The concepts of the LDS Faith concerning this, fits me. The concept of an eternal family, I like. Faith, repentance and forgiveness in accordance with the Atonement in the LDS Faith is what helps me. It just might all be a bunch of hooey. And if it is, so what? I just happen to find it to be, the way I want to live.

Now would be a good time to bear my testimony. But how do I know? I DON'T.

BTW, this is my testimony.

Very good answer!!!
there is no debate because you just won
you have my respect Sir....

ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
dubbs, in regard to your always claiming that Christian pastors bash Mormons, are you claiming that this goes on during Sunday services?

Where do you get this idea? Have you ever attended any other Christian denominations services where this went on while you were there?

Or are you just guilty of strictly parroting some hateful rumor that you possibly heard during Sunday services or possibly General conference of the LDS church?

Can you provide any evidence of Christian ministers preaching these hateful statements against Mormons from the pulpit?

Now I can produce evidence of Mormon prophets and general authorities bashing Christians from the pulpit,should we look at this evidence?

There is plenty of this "bashing" to go around. There was a post on here just a couple of days ago from an evangelical site that talked about the LDS beliefs as ludicrous etc. So yes, there's plenty to go around. But I do admit, evangelicals are equal opportunity bashers. They dislike everyone. But whats the point? You and dubbs are quite alike in that respect. I don't find much useful in either one of your "discussions".

I would welcome discussing beliefs but it always seems to go downhill here. Your idea of salvation is different than mine, so what. The only way we're going to find out who is right is to kick the bucket. You're welcome to go first and report back.

OK ThomasK, you're obviously forgetting that it is the Mormon Church and its membership who consider all other religions apostate, it is also your religion who considers all others as lacking any authority from God whatsoever.

let's not forget Mormonism's pre-1990 temple ceremony where they portray all Christian ministers as the hirelings of Satan.

And as to your not finding anything useful in my discussions, that's OK because I take my information straight from Mormonism's leaders and you don't like that my little friend.

Our views on salvation ("eternal life with God" definitely differ and sadly for those who have been deceived it's too late once you die.

Look if you don't believe in the LDS Faith, than it doesn't matter if you are an "apostate or lack authority", anymore than your views that I'm "sadly deceived and it's too late once I die", matters to me. Get it little friend?


BTW, is your "too late" law permanent? So much for the Atonement.

You either accept or reject Jesus Christ in this life and yes once you die it is too late.

BLogan wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
dubbs, in regard to your always claiming that Christian pastors bash Mormons, are you claiming that this goes on during Sunday services?

Where do you get this idea? Have you ever attended any other Christian denominations services where this went on while you were there?

Or are you just guilty of strictly parroting some hateful rumor that you possibly heard during Sunday services or possibly General conference of the LDS church?

Can you provide any evidence of Christian ministers preaching these hateful statements against Mormons from the pulpit?

Now I can produce evidence of Mormon prophets and general authorities bashing Christians from the pulpit,should we look at this evidence?

There is plenty of this "bashing" to go around. There was a post on here just a couple of days ago from an evangelical site that talked about the LDS beliefs as ludicrous etc. So yes, there's plenty to go around. But I do admit, evangelicals are equal opportunity bashers. They dislike everyone. But whats the point? You and dubbs are quite alike in that respect. I don't find much useful in either one of your "discussions".

I would welcome discussing beliefs but it always seems to go downhill here. Your idea of salvation is different than mine, so what. The only way we're going to find out who is right is to kick the bucket. You're welcome to go first and report back.

OK ThomasK, you're obviously forgetting that it is the Mormon Church and its membership who consider all other religions apostate, it is also your religion who considers all others as lacking any authority from God whatsoever.

let's not forget Mormonism's pre-1990 temple ceremony where they portray all Christian ministers as the hirelings of Satan.

And as to your not finding anything useful in my discussions, that's OK because I take my information straight from Mormonism's leaders and you don't like that my little friend.

Our views on salvation ("eternal life with God" definitely differ and sadly for those who have been deceived it's too late once you die.

Look if you don't believe in the LDS Faith, than it doesn't matter if you are an "apostate or lack authority", anymore than your views that I'm "sadly deceived and it's too late once I die", matters to me. Get it little friend?


BTW, is your "too late" law permanent? So much for the Atonement.

You either accept or reject Jesus Christ in this life and yes once you die it is too late.
Once again, what happens to those who never heard of Jesus Christ in this life? The cave men, for example.

You won't answer, will you? Because you can't!!

Dubbs wrote:
BLogan wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
BLogan wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
More proof

http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html

"The Mormons deny the Trinity and the existence of a literal burning Hell, yet they promote polytheism (many gods), baptism for the dead, and the notion that Jesus and Satan were originally spirit brothers! Friend, make no mistake about it--Mormonism is a dangerous cult. In the eyes of man, the Mormons seem very respectable, but the light of God's word reveals the true wolves..."

http://www.afcministry.com/Are_Mormons_Christians.htm


Why Mormons are not Christians



This took me all of two minutes, could find more, but we now have four examples, I'd say that will suffice.

dubbie, this looks like this information came from a web site, didn't you claim this bashing came from pastors preaching this hatred from the pulpit? Was/Is this persona Christian minister?


Give us your churches website, let's see what they have to say about Mormons Blogan, I'd venture to guess your preacher has many a day bashing other cults. As has been my experience with bible thumping nutjob preachers.


The information given was Christian churches, don't make excuses, it's what you asked for, and got it.

Gee dubbie, I knew it wouldn't be long before I caught you lying also. your comment is and has been from the start that Christian preachers are preaching this Mormon bashing from the pulpit, now either produce your evidence or just admit that your hearing these nasty lies during priesthood session or Mormonism's general conference.

Go to any Mainstream Christian church, you'll see, post your churches website, we'll see what there saying. I think you know what I speak is true.

dubbie,I've visited many Christian denominations here along the Wasatch front and I promise you that they don't spend their time bashing Mormonism as you and your leadership dishonestly claim. Now it wasn't many years ago that Mormon temples were hatefully portraying Christian ministers as the hirelings of Satan.

dubbie, sadly your just like the founding leaders of the Mormon Church, all you have is personal opinion and that is wrong.
But I still love ya!

P.S. you failed to answer my question about your seven year old daughter, do you teach her this hatred for non-Mormons? Is she allowed to play with other children who are non mormon?

BLogan wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
dubbs, in regard to your always claiming that Christian pastors bash Mormons, are you claiming that this goes on during Sunday services?

Where do you get this idea? Have you ever attended any other Christian denominations services where this went on while you were there?

Or are you just guilty of strictly parroting some hateful rumor that you possibly heard during Sunday services or possibly General conference of the LDS church?

Can you provide any evidence of Christian ministers preaching these hateful statements against Mormons from the pulpit?

Now I can produce evidence of Mormon prophets and general authorities bashing Christians from the pulpit,should we look at this evidence?

There is plenty of this "bashing" to go around. There was a post on here just a couple of days ago from an evangelical site that talked about the LDS beliefs as ludicrous etc. So yes, there's plenty to go around. But I do admit, evangelicals are equal opportunity bashers. They dislike everyone. But whats the point? You and dubbs are quite alike in that respect. I don't find much useful in either one of your "discussions".

I would welcome discussing beliefs but it always seems to go downhill here. Your idea of salvation is different than mine, so what. The only way we're going to find out who is right is to kick the bucket. You're welcome to go first and report back.

OK ThomasK, you're obviously forgetting that it is the Mormon Church and its membership who consider all other religions apostate, it is also your religion who considers all others as lacking any authority from God whatsoever.

let's not forget Mormonism's pre-1990 temple ceremony where they portray all Christian ministers as the hirelings of Satan.

And as to your not finding anything useful in my discussions, that's OK because I take my information straight from Mormonism's leaders and you don't like that my little friend.

Our views on salvation ("eternal life with God" definitely differ and sadly for those who have been deceived it's too late once you die.

Look if you don't believe in the LDS Faith, than it doesn't matter if you are an "apostate or lack authority", anymore than your views that I'm "sadly deceived and it's too late once I die", matters to me. Get it little friend?


BTW, is your "too late" law permanent? So much for the Atonement.

You either accept or reject Jesus Christ in this life and yes once you die it is too late.

Again, why then did the Corinthians baptise for the dead, and why did Christ in 1 Peter go preach to those that were dead?

Dubbs wrote:


He's like a child with his repeating things, over and over and over. Wow. I really think he has mental issues. Anybody know this bozo in real life? I would doubt he would allow anyonehere in his life to see what a pyscho he really is.

It looks like dubbs is describing himself with his constant bashing of Christian preachers and I agree that he has mental issues. I thought dubbs was telling us that this wasn't real-life.