utocoman wrote:
Grizz wrote:
According to the book of mormon any one without the Law (gentiles) do not need baptism, they are redeemed regardless, and it is a mockery to God to trust in work for the dead.

Moroni chapter 8

22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—


23 But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works.

Joseph Smith said our greatest responsibility is to seek after our dead.
"The greatest responsibility in this world that God has laid upon us is to seek after our dead" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 7).

The rest of the world calls that necromancy!

Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services


Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons

EDs: APNewsNow.

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.

The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.

The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.

Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.

One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.

Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.

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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com

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Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.

However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.

IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.

They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.

I don't see what it really matters, though.

It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.

Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"

if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons

I get that you don't like Mormonism. So what?

Let get ready to rumble!

This is great news! The Catholic Church is now following in the footsteps of the Jews by professing their belief that LDS baptisms for the dead are valid. (otherwise, they wouldn't really care what the Mormons do) So who's next? Evangelicals? Muslims?

I have an idea...lets all claim the deceased. I mean they can't fight back. It isn't as if all churches couldn't start claiming everyone deceased for themselves. Now the deceased whose true history is being hijacked can drag this expedient and false footnote around to eternity. Nice. Clever ponzi scheme for any church to make it look like they are bigger than they are.

Can't wait for the other denominations catch up and do the same to expand this game of stealing dead people's history.

Marylb wrote:
I have an idea...lets all claim the deceased. I mean they can't fight back. It isn't as if all churches couldn't start claiming everyone deceased for themselves. Now the deceased whose true history is being hijacked can drag this expedient and false footnote around to eternity. Nice. Clever ponzi scheme for any church to make it look like they are bigger than they are.

Can't wait for the other denominations catch up and do the same to expand this game of stealing dead people's history.
This shows how little you and much of the world understand the doctrine and what is really happening. The LDS church does not, repeat, does not claim these people who have died. They are not counted as part of the LDS church. It isn't about numbers or membership or anything like that. The belief is simply that the ordinance is provided for those who did not have the chance to have it in this life. Whether or not, they (the dead) accept this ordinance in their behalf is entirely up to them. They can reject it or accept it. Nobody is forcing them to be a "Mormon". So, nobody's history is being hijacked.