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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influence 2 Months ago
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BLogan wrote:
Has the Mormon Church and its apologist at BYU been truthful about Brigham Young' ADAM GOD doctrine?
With all this controversy on this subject, why hasn't the Mormon presidency just opened the first Presidents vault and let both non-Mormon and Mormon scholars examined the evidence for themselves?
what are they afraid of?
I think we all know that there is so much more damaging evidence and on so many more issues that they closed these vaults to public access many years ago.
ThomasK tries to convince us that the Journal of discourses was most likely deliberately misquoted or somehow dramatized to sell more copies and therefore make more money.
ThomasK, do you honestly believe that anyone at that time besides members of the Mormon Church purchased the Journal discourses?
I think we should take an honest look at numerous other sources from Mormon leaders such as journals, anminutes from meetings and other sources widely available.
Why are you so obsessed with trying to prove the LDS false? If I choose to keep my head buried in the sand (your words, not mine), then how does that affect you?
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A naughty wench...and a wicked witch!
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influence 2 Months ago
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Just Reading wrote:ThomasK wrote:
BLogan wrote:
The Journal of Discourses deservedly ranks as one of the standard works of the Church, and every rightminded Saint will certainly welcome with joy every number (issue) as it comes forth.
President George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Vol.8.
Each successive Volume of these Discourses is a rich mine of wealth, containing gems of great value, and the diligent seeker will find ample reward for his labor. After the fathers and mothers of this generation have made them the study of their lives their children’s children will find that they are still unexhausted, and rejoice that this Record has been handed down from their fathers to also aid them in following the way of life.
Apostle Orson Pratt, Preface. Volume 3.
It is impossible to give monetary value to the past volumes of this publication, … Those who read the utterances of the servants of God, contained in this book, under the same influence by which the speakers were inspired, cannot fail to receive profit from the perusal.
President Joseph F. Smith, Preface, Vol.18.
We take great pleasure in presenting to the Saints and the world the … the JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, which they will find contains rich treasures of information concerning the glorious principles of Eternal Life, as revealed through God’s anointed servants in these last days. All who read the discourses contained in this Volume are earnestly recommended to adapt them to their lives by practice, and we can confidently assure them that, in doing so, they are laying up a store of knowledge that will save and exalt them in the Celestial kingdom.
Apostle Albert Carrington, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Vol. 15.
I prefer the Church's position concerning this:
"The Journal of Discourses is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a compilation of sermons and other materials from the early years of the Church, which were transcribed and then published. It includes practical advice as well as doctrinal discussion, some of which is speculative in nature and some of which is only of historical interest. ... Questions have been raised about the accuracy of some transcriptions. Modern technology and processes were not available for verifying the accuracy of transcriptions, and some significant mistakes have been documented. The Journal of Discourses includes interesting and insightful teachings by early Church leaders; however, by itself it is not an authoritative source of Church doctrine."
BTW, you can download it free from BYU instead of paying for it from the website where you got your quotes.
What about the Book of Abraham?? 
If in fact Joseph Smith translated an ancient record of the patriarch Abraham through the power of God, he must be the prophet and seer he claimed to be right,
But if the Book of Abraham is a fabrication, then Joseph Smith was a fraud right??
and then the same might/could be said of the Book of Mormon right??Course neither claim is accurate, so it's a moot point.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 2 Months ago
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Wren wrote:JR, let me tell you who Dubbs is.
He lives in an apartment in Phoenix. He goes to school (still?) at University of Phoenix. He works construction as a day laborer, because he can't do anything else.
He is not wealthy, he is not a contractor, he does not own three homes. I am not sure that he is married (because he talked about a girlfriend once a long time ago at the same time he was talking about a wife -- rather poorly I might add).
He has never been a Bishop, and I don't believe that he is a High Priest. His understanding of the temple and its rituals is only minimal, so I doubt that he has been there more than twice, and that is only if he went on a mission and if he got sealed. Maybe, just maybe the two times, but he can't have gone any more because he does not understand what goes on there.
His attitude outside of the forum is exactly what he portrays here because he is not smart enough to dissemble and get away with it all. Shoot, he has never gotten away with it here, has he? Glad I could be on your mind so much. If you think you know where I live, swing on by Wrenster, I've got a little friend waiting for you. Mr. Browning. And Mr. righty.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 2 Months ago
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Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
Jaye wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
No one has ever been disciplined, excommunicated, or any other church measures for not believing or adhering to in the "Adam-God Theory".
If that's what you believe...then that's what you believe. It is unlikely that if they didn't believe, or adhere to any specific doctrine that Brigham Young taught from the pulpit...that they would openly dissent.
Because according to the history of the Danites...members who openly dissented against the orders, teachings, and/or edicts of Brigham Young, might possibly stand to be 'used up'...and the Danites acted under orders.
OK, name names of people that we excommunicated for not believing or adhering to the "Adam-God Theory". You challenged my quote, so let's here it. So what you're also saying is that people were being excommunicated for disagreeing with "theories". What other "theories" was this happening with?
I'm waiting.
And so long as you behave like Kent...you can keep waiting. Or you can discuss this like a rational adult.
It remains to be seen.
At any rate...why do you think Orson Pratt was excommunicated?
He's been respectful Jaye, just as you did with Bearyb when he was, accuse him of being evil etc. What a joke you are. Just answer the question. Is acting like me asking for proof of things you and your twin brother Wren say? If so, I'm proud to be like me.
You prove this claim and show where I have ever referred to Bearyb OR Thomas as being evil.
Up until fairly recently, Thomas has remained respectful.
Fairly recently, he's been switching to less respectful tactics and mannerisms.
When an individual says..."OK, name names of people that we excommunicated for not believing or adhering to the "Adam-God Theory". You challenged my quote, so let's here [sic]it!"...this does not indicate respect OR courteous discourse.
In this...he is beginning to act like you do. If he wishes to engage in discussion...I'm happy to do so.
But if he is going to insert little innuendos and begin to behave in a smarmy fashion...then the discussion will take a different course.
Your delustional, he merely asked a simple quesiton of proof, as would any serious researcher want proof of people who make claims. You did the same thing to Bearyb, as GFTS so quickly noticed about you, you don't like when people challenge you, she's a smart gal. I noticed it from day one.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 2 Months ago
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KitKat wrote:
Wren wrote:
KitKat wrote:
dean wrote:
Wren wrote:JR, let me tell you who Dubbs is.
He lives in an apartment in Phoenix. He goes to school (still?) at University of Phoenix. He works construction as a day laborer, because he can't do anything else.
He is not wealthy, he is not a contractor, he does not own three homes. I am not sure that he is married (because he talked about a girlfriend once a long time ago at the same time he was talking about a wife -- rather poorly I might add).
He has never been a Bishop, and I don't believe that he is a High Priest. His understanding of the temple and its rituals is only minimal, so I doubt that he has been there more than twice, and that is only if he went on a mission and if he got sealed. Maybe, just maybe the two times, but he can't have gone any more because he does not understand what goes on there.
His attitude outside of the forum is exactly what he portrays here because he is not smart enough to dissemble and get away with it all. Shoot, he has never gotten away with it here, has he?
Jaye wroteI'm going to disagree on one point here Wren.
I'll go along with your earlier assessment in which you opined that he was a telephone solicitor...but I can't buy the day laborer in construction.
For one thing...he's much too lazy to get out there and do hard physical labor. For another...he lacks the intelligence, the ability to take instructions, or the ability to think on his feet.
He wouldn't last a single shift as a construction day-laborer.
I stand all amazed.
Not only does it apply to your sharp and incisive analysis about, but we gentile boys used to quietly hum that melody that as the LDS girls fooled around with us when we were all in high school.
You aren't making any sense, and what you said has nothing to do with what Jaye said. Did you just come online to brag about your conquests?
It made sense to any who know Mormon culture. It made sense to you, but you have an agenda and didn't like it. Get over it, KitKat.
I was very impressed with Jaye's analysis, and remembered something from a long time ago in Dixie. You don't like it, cool. I could care less.
I AM LDS, born and raised. And NO, it did not make sense to me. You like to act as if you know more about the LDS than anyone out there.
In the past, you have often said things I disagreed with. Rather than be disrespectful to you, I just let it go. You've always treated me with respect up till now. What gives?
His real self slipped out, a self rightous, thinks he knows it all, clifford Clavin wanna be professor, jackass.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 2 Months ago
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Blondie wrote:Wren wrote:
KitKat wrote:
dean wrote:
Wren wrote:JR, let me tell you who Dubbs is.
He lives in an apartment in Phoenix. He goes to school (still?) at University of Phoenix. He works construction as a day laborer, because he can't do anything else.
He is not wealthy, he is not a contractor, he does not own three homes. I am not sure that he is married (because he talked about a girlfriend once a long time ago at the same time he was talking about a wife -- rather poorly I might add).
He has never been a Bishop, and I don't believe that he is a High Priest. His understanding of the temple and its rituals is only minimal, so I doubt that he has been there more than twice, and that is only if he went on a mission and if he got sealed. Maybe, just maybe the two times, but he can't have gone any more because he does not understand what goes on there.
His attitude outside of the forum is exactly what he portrays here because he is not smart enough to dissemble and get away with it all. Shoot, he has never gotten away with it here, has he?
Jaye wroteI'm going to disagree on one point here Wren.
I'll go along with your earlier assessment in which you opined that he was a telephone solicitor...but I can't buy the day laborer in construction.
For one thing...he's much too lazy to get out there and do hard physical labor. For another...he lacks the intelligence, the ability to take instructions, or the ability to think on his feet.
He wouldn't last a single shift as a construction day-laborer.
I stand all amazed.
Not only does it apply to your sharp and incisive analysis about, but we gentile boys used to quietly hum that melody that as the LDS girls fooled around with us when we were all in high school.
You aren't making any sense, and what you said has nothing to do with what Jaye said. Did you just come online to brag about your conquests?
It made sense to any who know Mormon culture. It made sense to you, but you have an agenda and didn't like it. Get over it, KitKat.
I was very impressed with Jaye's analysis, and remembered something from a long time ago in Dixie. You don't like it, cool. I could care less.
WHO peed in your cherrio's Wren??????....... You need to take a break ...... Kitkat, just voiced her opinion as all of us do..... You were damn right nasty.. Dubbs getting to you too?????????
HERE HERE!!! ONLY WREN AND DUBSS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY on this forum worthwhile. 
So NONE of the other posters can disagree or make comments contrary to what they say....... Good GOD guys, give us all a break from the kindergarten s***........  Good to see someone else get the wrath of blondie.
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