itchy peaches wrote:
I am sure LR was just as surprised as you are to have his post come out under my name. My profile was accidentally left open on the home computer. This is his wife.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After reading his last two posts, my thoughts are with you........

My sympathy to you...

itchy peaches wrote:
I am sure LR was just as surprised as you are to have his post come out under my name. My profile was accidentally left open on the home computer. This is his wife.

I see.

itchy peaches wrote:
I am sure LR was just as surprised as you are to have his post come out under my name. My profile was accidentally left open on the home computer. This is his wife.

OK, Itchy. . . I want to believe this is you. I want to believe this is the same person I chatted with in personal messages. I want to believe that all of us in this forum haven't been played for fools.

With that said, if you are married to LifeRocks and you've been reading all these posts and everything posted about your family situation is on the up-and-up, what is your daily life like? Are you all right?
Does LR know you've been posting?

Yes, it really is me, and I am ok.

LR did not know I was posting, or even that I read the thread. But he was telling me about the forum daily - what he said, what they said - and I was curious to see if things were as he had told me.

However, while I was just reading at first, never intending to post, I soon wanted to point out some things I thought were not being said on the list. I think I've been civil at all times on this list.

Just for the record - nothing he has said on here has surprised me at all. He does have many frustrations with the church, along with many other things in his life. I will leave it at that.

Unfortunately, as some of you have suggested, his attitude has affected the relationships with members of his family. In my opinion, getting married in the temple was right for our daughters, even if LR could not attend. I feel for him, but it is more important to please God than Dad, no matter how super he was. Just for the record, one daughter had a ring ceremony at the reception. The other daughter suggested it, but LR said not to bother. Both daughters went out of their way to help him feel included, but because he knew they were getting married in the temple there was no satisfactory resolution. Both daughters are wonderfully happy, and tell me they are grateful they got married in the temple. The wedding was a short block of time. The relationship they have with him is much bigger than that. He is making it all about missing that short block of time.

Ok, enough. I do not know if LR will ever post here again. I may have ruined it for him. I will go back and add a Life Rocks said: in front of his post, for the sake of clarity. I did not mean to ruin his fun.

Dubbs wrote:
... it's clear he's obessessed with the LDS faith as all apostates are.

(1) People are supposed to be obsessed with the LDS faith. If you believe, you are to study and progress. That is why there are seminary, sunday school, missionary training, institute, education week, and tons of books ghost-written for the general authorities. If you don't believe, you have been challenged by Brigham Young and others to study and compare the Mormon faith with the Bible. If there is any error in it, Pratt said, point it out. (But when it is pointed out, the pointer is slandered with labels like "apostate", "adulterer", and "obsessed".)

(2) Why can't Mormons leave the ex-members and non-members alone? Why are Mormons so obsessed with attempting to prove some supreme evil in every ex-mormon? Why are Mormons so obsessed with apostates? Why are the General Authorities obsessed with scholars who provide objective academic history rather than "faithful history"? Why are Mormons so obsessed with their critics, so much so that instead of responding to the criticisms themselves, they launch ad hominem attacks against the people who present the criticism?

(3) If God doesn't love and have a way to save apostates, his love is finite. If God's love is finite, God is finite. If God is finite, he is no god.

Girl Raised in the South wrote:
Remember Mark Hoffmann (he's been brought up before, I believe)? He was our home teacher, and my husband was theirs. I never liked the guy. . .gave me the creeps. We'd go to his house with our kids for game night, but were only allowed in certain rooms in his basement. (The locked doors were where he was forging.) He would accompany me with my kids to the bathroom so we wouldn't "investigate" other rooms in the basement. For our entertainment at his house, he would ALWAYS want to watch movies with violence and explosions. (Can you see where this is going?) My husband, being the really nice person he is, told me I was too judgemental of Mark. I stood my ground, telling my husband I was afraid, and then guess what started happening to Mark's acquaintances?
It's a shame none of the priesthood holders had the power of discernment when it came to Mark Hoffman. It's a shame that the one woman who does seem to have had an accurate spirit of discernment about him, being a woman, was disregarded by her priesthood 'betters'.

"Where there is no prophet, the people perish."