Dubbs wrote:
BLogan wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
BLogan wrote:
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Ok dubbs, why don't you just save us the hassle of your little games and just show us any prophecy from any Mormon leader that came to pass.

Ahh Grasshopper, when you are ready to learn, the teacher will appear, read and study, maybe some day you learn truth.

Here we go...

The American Civil war and how it would start-accurate

The saints would prosper and thrive in the Rocky Mountains-accurate

Funny one, in D&C 122 He Prophecied this.

1 The ends of the earth shall inquire after thy name, and fools shall have thee in derision, and hell shall rage against thee;

We see that here daily.

Section 121 says he will return to his friends soon, this came true.

Section 122 also says he will be imprisoned many times throughout his life, this came true.

Many times he prophesied that though imprisoned, no one would be killed

He then Prophesied his death in his final imprisonment

The Word of Wisdom is Prophecy that is accurate


Joseph "prophesied that within five years we should be out of the power of our old enemies, whether they were apostates or of the world; and told the brethren to record it, that when it comes to pass they need not say they had forgotten the saying." This is recorded in History of the Church , Vol. 6, p. 225

He correctly prophesied the whigg party would be decimated. In fact it no longer exists.


He correctly prophesied of the destruction of Jackson country Missouri.


He correctly prohesied that the hearts of the children would be turned to their fathers thru geneology.


Section 5 of the D&C correctly prophecys about the three witness.

Many prophetic miricles involving Newel K Whitney

Many prophecys of healing and healings done.


Joseph predicted New York and Boston would one day have stakes


Prophecized of a man named Dan Jones would serve a mission


Prophecized that Signey Rigdon would be a spokesman for the church, which also fulfils a Book of Mormon prophecy.


He correctly Prophecized that a Brother Markham would escape jail and safely return to his family

He correctly Prophecized in D&C 118 that the apostles would go into far west and lay the cornerstone to the temple, at the time the saints were afraid of far west and the mobs there, but did so, fulfilling the Prophecy.


Joseph Read peoples minds in prophetic ways many times.


Prophecized of the end of the Kirtland era


Prophecized his enemies would not prosper


Prophecized slaves would rize up against there masters

I have more, but you get the idea. Bash away

Come on dubbie, let's play this game fairly should we? please provide references to each alleged prophecy so we can check them out in their entirety before Mormon apologist attempted their faith promoting hogwash on each one.

Let me ask you dubbs,did you by any chance read any of these alleged prophecies in their entirety?
Or did you just get this information from Mormon apologists?

I have read all from their orginal source in my lifetime, did you notice many are in the D&C dar dar? Do some research, course Mormon apologists have, you simply copy and paste from anti sites without even knowing if it's truth.

Typical. Hypocrite. As you cut and paste from FAIR/FARM. Have you wondered WHY non-TBM sites carry the accurate words of your prophets, Dubbs?

Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
You did not explain how Jeremiah or the Lord made the Prophecy conditional. It was not conditional.

I have explained it at length...and I even provided the Chapter and verses in which the conditions were stated.

But I am a patient man...and I will repeat the information.

Jeremiah Chapter 38: verses 14-24.

In these verses, Zedekiah asked Jeremiah what would happen. Jeremiah explained that God wanted Zedekiah to lead his armies against the princes of Chaldea.

If Zedekiah obeyed this direction, and marched out against the Chaldeans, God would preserve his life AND his soul.

And his wives and children would not be led into captivity, and the entire city would not be burned and utterly destroyed.

In Chapter 39, we read that even though Zedekiah had promised to obey God's instructions he received from Jeremiah...when Nebuchadrezzar, the king of Babylon besieged Jeruslalem, and all the princes of the king of Babylon came in, and sat in the middle gate, with all the nobles of the king of Bablyon...king Zedekiah beheld the might and sheer numbers of the enemy besieging the city, he panicked and he fled, with his nobles. They escaped through his garden gate between the two walls, and fled across the plains.

But the king of Babylon had his spies, and they saw Zedekiah's attempt to escape. They pursued him, captured him, blinded him, took him captive, executed all of his nobles, took his wives and children captive, and all the citizens captive, and burned down the city...just as Jeremiah had prophesied would happen, should Zedekiah fail to obey the Lord and march out against Babylon and the Chaldeans.

This all happens between verse 1-9.

Please read it this time.

Sometimes I wonder if you really understand what you read Jaye. Wow.

Jeremiah 34:4-5 says Zedikiah would die in peace. Which is what I said, you went into somthing else above.

Zedikiah did not die in peace, unless you consider being blinded by your enemies and dieing in their prison peaceful.

You are destroying the original work by not considering it all, which completely undermines your position, Dubbs.

You are clearly wrong and won't admit it.

Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
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Dubbs did exactly what I figured he would. He posted the excuse that holds no water. The journals were screened for accuracy of the commentary before they were printed.

Yes, the Journals are an accurate account of what was being preached, and the FAIR/FARM rebuttal is wrong to suggest that the sermons were not accurate in intent and content.

You obviously didn't read what I posted, here's a cliff notes version for the mentally challenged.

"Though the First Presidency endorsed the publication of the Journal, there was no endorsement as to the accuracy or reliability of the contents. There were occasions when the accuracy was questionable. The accounts were not always cleared by the speakers because of problems of time and distance. This was especially true during the persecution of the 1880s which finally forced the cessation of publication."


This is the churches website giving their official version, they did not "proof read" as you are inaccuratly claiming. Your research skills are nill.

My research skills are fine, and the article's logic is false. Many sermons and othere writings of the day clearly reflect that the JD sermons broadcast the doctrine of the GAs, particularly BY.

You can't get around it with false logic, Dubbs.


You would have to read, and then comprehend what you have read to understand the history of the JofD, you obviously do not, and I'm done trying to explain it to a mental midgit, if you don't get it by now, you never will.

I get it perfectly, and you remain wrong on this subject.

Having read carefully the postings from last night, Dubbs lost on the authentic nature of the JD sermons, and prophecies of Jonah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.

His major problem is simple -- he will not read with contriteness of spirit and humbleness of heart, but rather talks haughtily and stiff neckedly, as did the unrighteous Nephies of Dubbs' BOM.

Dubbs is the anti-LDS of the modern age. He is far more dangerous than the FLDS because he is inside the citadel of his church.

"Bite me Clifford?" What a romantic that Dumbya is!

Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
You did not explain how Jeremiah or the Lord made the Prophecy conditional. It was not conditional.

I have explained it at length...and I even provided the Chapter and verses in which the conditions were stated.

But I am a patient man...and I will repeat the information.

Jeremiah Chapter 38: verses 14-24.

In these verses, Zedekiah asked Jeremiah what would happen. Jeremiah explained that God wanted Zedekiah to lead his armies against the princes of Chaldea.

If Zedekiah obeyed this direction, and marched out against the Chaldeans, God would preserve his life AND his soul.

And his wives and children would not be led into captivity, and the entire city would not be burned and utterly destroyed.

In Chapter 39, we read that even though Zedekiah had promised to obey God's instructions he received from Jeremiah...when Nebuchadrezzar, the king of Babylon besieged Jeruslalem, and all the princes of the king of Babylon came in, and sat in the middle gate, with all the nobles of the king of Bablyon...king Zedekiah beheld the might and sheer numbers of the enemy besieging the city, he panicked and he fled, with his nobles. They escaped through his garden gate between the two walls, and fled across the plains.

But the king of Babylon had his spies, and they saw Zedekiah's attempt to escape. They pursued him, captured him, blinded him, took him captive, executed all of his nobles, took his wives and children captive, and all the citizens captive, and burned down the city...just as Jeremiah had prophesied would happen, should Zedekiah fail to obey the Lord and march out against Babylon and the Chaldeans.

This all happens between verse 1-9.

Please read it this time.

Sometimes I wonder if you really understand what you read Jaye. Wow.

Jeremiah 34:4-5 says Zedikiah would die in peace. Which is what I said, you went into somthing else above.

Zedikiah did not die in peace, unless you consider being blinded by your enemies and dieing in their prison peaceful.


Try this Jaye

http://www.jesusandkidz.com/

And yet again...Jeremiah told Zedekiah that he would die in peace...IF...he obeyed God's direction, and marched out against the king of Babylon and the Chaldean princes.

Jeremiah also warned Zedekiah that if he should fail to obey God's word in this...he would be taken prisoner, and he would die, and his nobles would die, and his wives and children and his nobles wives and children would be taken into captivity, and the city would be burned to the ground.

Now. This constituted a prophecy which contained a promise if the individual obeyed God's instructions, coupled with a warning of what would occur if the individual did not obey God's instructions.

Much like the promise, AND the warning God gave to Joseph Smith in Section 3 of the D&C.

There are none so blind, Kent, as those who cannot see.

You cannot take a couple of verses out of a Book of the Bible and base your conclusions upon those verses, without reading the ENTIRE CHAPTER.

The prophecies of the Bible...just like the prophecies of the Book of Mormon, AND the D&C usually contained promise of blessing if God were obeyed...and warning of swift punishment and/or death should God's commandments NOT be obeyed.

Can you really not see this?