Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
If I said it recently, you should be able to show me right? Prove your lies or shut your yapper nutty professor.

Ah, may God Bless you, Dubbs. Show me where I wrote what you said I did. You can't, you are a liar, and that's the end of it.

You once again wrote with intent to deceive, a violation of all that is worthy in LDS standards.

Shame on you.

And thus, you have just been show to be a liar.

Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
If I said it recently, you should be able to show me right? Prove your lies or shut your yapper nutty professor.

Ah, may God Bless you, Dubbs. Show me where I wrote what you said I did. You can't, you are a liar, and that's the end of it.

You once again wrote with intent to deceive, a violation of all that is worthy in LDS standards.

Shame on you.

And thus, you have just been show to be a liar.

How?

I never wrote that about you, and you can't demonstrate that I did.

God bless you, Dubbs, are you off your meds again?

Dubbs wrote:
bearyb wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Oh, I listen, in real life.
I invite you to carefully read the entire 7th chapter of the Book of Moroni, particularly verse 11: "For behold, a bitter fountain cannot bring forth good water; neither can a good fountain bring forth bitter water; wherefore, a man being a servant of the devil cannot follow Christ; and if he follow Christ he cannot be a servant of the devil."

It is incongruous to suggest that you act very differently "in real life" than you act on this forum. In fact, because of the high degree of anonymity we enjoy as participants here, we are more likely to show our true selves when posting here than we might "in real life."

As a test to see whether those who "know" you might agree with your delusion that how we act here doesn't matter, why don't you invite some of them (particularly your church leaders) to view your posts. See if they agree with you that this is only a big joke and that it has no bearing whatsoever on our personal lives. At the very least, the sheer amount of time some of us spend here most certainly has an effect, as it is time we are not spending doing something else.

At any rate, I would find it very hard to believe that the words and attitudes you display here are not also reflected in your "real life."

Your self rightous attitude is getting old bro, stop the preaching. Your not perfect.
Where have I said anything to condemn you or anyone else? I merely suggest that you carefully consider your position and determine if it makes any sense, particularly regarding your claim that there is or can be a complete separation between behavior on this forum and behavior "in real life."

If you feel condemned because of what I have written here, please consider that it is not what I have written that condemns or judges you, but a conclusion you arrived at on your own.

Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
If I said it recently, you should be able to show me right? Prove your lies or shut your yapper nutty professor.

Ah, may God Bless you, Dubbs. Show me where I wrote what you said I did. You can't, you are a liar, and that's the end of it.

You once again wrote with intent to deceive, a violation of all that is worthy in LDS standards.

Shame on you.

And thus, you have just been show to be a liar.

"LOL" what an Idiot....

Just Reading wrote:
BLogan wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
BLogan wrote:
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Ok dubbs, why don't you just save us the hassle of your little games and just show us any prophecy from any Mormon leader that came to pass.

Ahh Grasshopper, when you are ready to learn, the teacher will appear, read and study, maybe some day you learn truth.

Here we go...

The American Civil war and how it would start-accurate

The saints would prosper and thrive in the Rocky Mountains-accurate

Funny one, in D&C 122 He Prophecied this.

1 The ends of the earth shall inquire after thy name, and fools shall have thee in derision, and hell shall rage against thee;

We see that here daily.

Section 121 says he will return to his friends soon, this came true.

Section 122 also says he will be imprisoned many times throughout his life, this came true.

Many times he prophesied that though imprisoned, no one would be killed

He then Prophesied his death in his final imprisonment

The Word of Wisdom is Prophecy that is accurate


Joseph "prophesied that within five years we should be out of the power of our old enemies, whether they were apostates or of the world; and told the brethren to record it, that when it comes to pass they need not say they had forgotten the saying." This is recorded in History of the Church , Vol. 6, p. 225

He correctly prophesied the whigg party would be decimated. In fact it no longer exists.


He correctly prophesied of the destruction of Jackson country Missouri.


He correctly prohesied that the hearts of the children would be turned to their fathers thru geneology.


Section 5 of the D&C correctly prophecys about the three witness.

Many prophetic miricles involving Newel K Whitney

Many prophecys of healing and healings done.


Joseph predicted New York and Boston would one day have stakes


Prophecized of a man named Dan Jones would serve a mission


Prophecized that Signey Rigdon would be a spokesman for the church, which also fulfils a Book of Mormon prophecy.


He correctly Prophecized that a Brother Markham would escape jail and safely return to his family

He correctly Prophecized in D&C 118 that the apostles would go into far west and lay the cornerstone to the temple, at the time the saints were afraid of far west and the mobs there, but did so, fulfilling the Prophecy.


Joseph Read peoples minds in prophetic ways many times.


Prophecized of the end of the Kirtland era


Prophecized his enemies would not prosper


Prophecized slaves would rize up against there masters

I have more, but you get the idea. Bash away

DUBBS WROTE:
The American Civil war and how it would start-accurate

HERE READ THIS:
Mormon have always placed a lot of emphasis on Joseph Smith's supposed Civil War prophecy ...the only thing they fail to take into account are the historical record and the facts.

In December 25, 1832, (keep this date in mind) Joseph Smith had this famous revelation...D&C 87:1 reads "VERILY, thus saith the Lord concerning the that will come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;"

Modern Mormons take this to suggest in hindsight that Joseph Smith was referring to the Civil War, which was still many many years away.... BUT the truth is that South Carolina had for many years been a hotbed of rebellion and had made many threats regarding its sovrenty over the federal government. In 1831, there was a slave rebellion, but it was successfully put down. In 1832* (remember this date?) President Jackson signed into law a new tariff that the S.C. legislature felt was unjust, the state threatened to rebel. In response to South Carolina's threat, Jackson sent seven small naval vessels and a man-of-war to Charleston in November 1832. Interestingly enough Joseph Smith had his revelation only 1 month later...was he a prophet...or an avid reader of the newspaper?

So the sad fact is...ANY Mormon or citizen of the United States could have made that broad prediction regarding a rebellion in South Carolina....

Initially the revelation was taken out of the D&C because it never happend as predicted. People began to quest it's authenticity. When the Cvil War did in fact happen the verse was inserted or re-inserted back into the D&C.

Also note D&C 87:3:
"For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend them selves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations."
Emphasis added.

A review of American history will show that the Confederacy did ask Great Britain and France for assistance, and were refused. The Civil War was not "poured out upon all nations", and did not become a World War. So even with his post hoc prophecy he got it wrong by continuing to embellish the story.

If God really wanted to give Joseph Smith some inside info on the Civil War, why didn't he just say "Lo, heed well my words, my servant Joseph: In 1861 there will be a war between the Northern and Southern states, it will last four years, and 500,000 people will die. The North is going to win. Oh, and by the way, I'd stay away from Carthage, Illinois if I were you."

Gee dubbs, Josephs alleged Civil War prophecy obviously missed its mark so obviously this was a false prophecy. >>strike one

Also Dubbs Initially this revelation of Josephs was taken out of the D&C because it never happend as predicted..
then over 60 years later after the civil war they put it back in and tried to say it was about the civil war.. what BS.... the prophecy still didn't come all the way true.. "LOL"

also Dubbs my boy Joseph Smith was aware of the discontent in South Carolina and mentioned it in the History of the Church (vol. 1, pg.301).

He wrote, "The people of South Carolina, in convention assembled (in November 1832), passed ordinances, declaring their state a free and independent nation...President Jackson issued his proclamation against this rebellion, called out a force sufficient to quell it, and implored the blessings of God to assist the nation to extricate itself from the horrors of the approaching and solemn crisis.

Then on Christmas day, 1832, Smith claimed he received his "prophecy on the war of the rebellion, "LOL Dubbs your Prophet is a fake...

Do you think maybe Joseph read a newspaper called the Painesville Telegraph that was printed not far from Smith's Kirtland, Ohio headquarters, the story was entitled "The Crisis"
The article spoke of the "probabilities of dismemberment" stemming from discontent in South Carolina and Georgia over states rights,
It is interesting to note that the date of this article is Friday, December 21,1832, just four days before Smith received his alleged "prophecy."

"LOL"

It completly came true, if you read it in D&C 8 and study it, it was amazingly accurate.

Smith was talking about 1832 and 1833, not 1861,

Great Britan and France refused to help the CSA.

The great conflict did not involve the nations of the world and did not become a global conflict.

Dubbs refuses to place his arguments in context and continues to cherrypick out of context.

This exactly what he did with the Old Testament prophets and their prophecies.

Dubbs always get both context and content wrong.