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Jaye (User)
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago
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ericmiami wrote:Don't overlook the BYU football team, Jaye. They were finding it hard to compete without Black players.True. Never overlook the BYU football team. 
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 1 Month ago
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Dubbs wrote:
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Sermons are only valid as they pertain to doctrine and correctness of doctrine.
I heard a quite excellent talk at our recent stake conference that addressed how we use our time. It included very practical ideas and suggestions, hardly any of which I would have considered to be within the realm of what is normally thought of as "doctrine." I thought it extremely valid and pertinent, and wish I could have obtained a word-for-word copy of it.
There's a difference between doctrine, and council. IMO.
There most certainly is a difference between council and counsel, but not necessarily between counsel and doctrine.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 1 Month ago
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Dubbs wrote:
To me council and doctrine are pretty easy to distinguish,
Council to me is things like
Don't watch rated R movies
Read your scriptures daily
Hold FHE
Don't date until 16, then only in groups
Get food storage
72 hour kits
Go to the temple monthly if possible
Doctrine is to me those things found in scripture, and the church has a good statement on their website agreeing with that.
Based on the above list, it would seem that counsel, at least in this context, is simply the practical application of doctrinal teachings.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 1 Month ago
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Jaye wrote:
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BLogan wrote:
If it's really true that Mormonism's prophets can't lead you astray maybe we should discuss Brigham's numerous well-documented docctrines and teachings such as Adam God.
This is an interesting thing to contemplate. If President Young did in fact teach such things as doctrine, he must not have been very successful at leading many astray with it (assuming you have some knowledge or criteria as to how to determine which doctrines are true and which are false), as it is not currently taught anywhere that I know of.
Perhaps you could provide another example...?
Generations of Mormons were led astray for decades by Brigham Young's venomous hatred and bigotry toward blacks...insomuch that when Spencer Kimball put a stop to the racial discrimination and reinstated the ordination of worthy black males to the priesthood...many staunch and life-long members of the Church stood up and walked out upon hearing the edict announced at the pulpit, and many withdrew their membership.
Why did they leave the Church? Because all their lives they had believed what Brigham Young had said regarding blacks, and that they would NEVER receive the priesthood in their second estate...but would receive it in their third estate if they led worthy lives.
They believed what he taught. They inducted his teachings into their very core of beliefs.
I would submit that the reason they left the Church is that they did not believe in the principle of continuing revelation. That, and the very real possibility that the previous policy might have been more in line with what they may have been personally comfortable with than the new policy.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 1 Month ago
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Jaye wrote:bearyb wrote:
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Bearyb...when I clicked on www.catholic.com, I didn't find any mention of the article in question.
I did find a site which explained the Catholic viewpoint on non-Catholic faiths, including the Mormon faith.
And I didn't much care for the 'Mormon Stumpers' site...but all in all...they have every right to remain somewhat suspicious regarding the friendly intentions that the LDS Church claims to have toward them.
You should be able to find the article by clicking on its name (just above where I mention the website). I attached a link to it through the name itself.
Here, try it again:
The Wacky World of Joseph Smith
That's not what I was saying Bearyb. I was able to access the article by clicking on the link you provided...but the home page showed no mention of the article, or anything like it.
How did you find this article?I googled a phrase from a post someone else had made, and found that it was in an article on that website.
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Re:Documents raise questions about religious influ 1 Month ago
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Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
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[b...many staunch and life-long members of the Church stood up and walked out upon hearing the edict announced at the pulpit, and many withdrew their membership..
YOu say this alot, do you have proof of this? Do you know how many came back after comeing to their sense and realizing this is a Prophet led church and we will have change with this Prophet led sitation?
I can no more prove or disprove things I've witnessed, or accounts I've heard than you can prove things you've witnessed or heard...or disprove things I've witnessed.
But I do agree. We WILL have change with this 'Prophet led 'SITUATION'.
And just as the LDS Church FINALLY came to it's senses regarding blacks and the priesthood...I have no doubt that eventually it will come to it's senses and ordain women to the priesthood.
Just as the official stance of the LDS Church has varied over the decades regarding homosexuality.
However...I foresee little to no further change in it's attitude toward gays and lesbians...until a link, or possible link to genetic factors is verified.
I'm curious about what you think the Church's attitude ought to be concerning these things, compared to what it is now. Also, if you wouldn't mind, I would appreciate your view on how you think the doctrine of eternal increase might change to perhaps be more accommodating to their preferences.
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