No answer is necessary, you have shown your stupidity already.

utocoman wrote:
No answer is necessary, you have shown your stupidity already.

Perhaps you have not fully recovered after your one legged a$$ kicking contest Truth gave you.

ThomasK wrote:
truthhurts wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
I don't think you can say for certain what is going to happen next in Iran. Mosul, Sadr City and Basra's headlines are quite different than 6 months ago. The Iraqi people seem to be taking a different course. An unconditional pullout in 16 months is not the answer. That IS for certain.
Really, Thomas? Why is it "for certain"? Have you been appointed some sort of military and political seer or something? Thomas the Seer?

Please post your evidence as to why it is certain. In that evidence, you should post proof that if we withdraw in 16 or 18 or whatever months, the Iraqi's will devolve into a worse situation than they are in now. You should also post proof that the timeline would not induce them to get their act together, especially since they sure seem to want some sort of timeline for us to get out anyway. You know, like how when a teacher sets a timeline for a test, it gets kids to study and prepare for said test. Well, the ones who want to pass the test, anyway.

You should also post proof that the Bush/McCain way will eventually (10 years, 20 years, 50 years, who knows) work to our satisfaction. Our satisfaction, of course, is apparently not an Iraq that can take care of itself, but an Iraq that can do that plus allow us to build bases and use those bases as launching pads for incursions into other areas of the middle east.

And while you are at it, post your proof that all the troops we have tied up in Iraq for all those years won't affect our ability to respond elsewhere if we need to on short notice.

So go ahead, Thomas. Post your proof of the "certainty" of these things. We'll all be waiting on pins and needles for your proof.

Oh, one more thing. No one has ever proposed an "unconditional" pullout in sixteen months that I am aware of. Certainly not Obama. Please present your proof of that as well.

Hold on there Kemo Sabe, before you blow a fuse.

If you're going to drink Obama's kool aid, at least know what you are drinking. Here's a direct quote from his own website:

redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010.

Now drink shug-a-lug, drink, drink, drink, drink....

Even the Iraqi government doesn't want us out for AT LEAST FIVES YEARS. Read the news, (and your own guys website) dimwit before you open your idiotic mouth.

Now let's see what else I can predict? You're going to wet yourself from all that kool aid you're drinking.
Let me make this short and succinct for you.

One. Here is what you said:

An unconditional pullout in 16 months is not the answer. That IS for certain.

Two. You presented no proof, not even any evidence, that an unconditional pullout is not the answer. Your opinion is not proof or evidence.

Three. You presented no proof that Obama said anything in his proposal was "unconditional." Nothing in the part you posted above in bold says anything about it being "unconditional", and I challenge you to post a link to anything Obama has said that says his plan is "unconditional".

So much for Thomas the Seer. Hell, so much for Thomas the Lucid Human Being.

Chug-a-lug, Tommy boy.

utocoman wrote:
utocoman wrote:
No answer is necessary, you have shown your stupidity already.

Perhaps you have not fully recovered after your one legged a$$ kicking contest Truth gave you.

Oh yes. I'm sorry, we aren't allowed to have real discussion here. I'm sorry, I thought you could act like an adult - you know, discussion, that type of thing. I said in my statements that I didn't have the answer and specifically asked for explanations, corrections, etc.

I think Uto that you just don't have them. You are so ready to swallow anything your candidate says that you don't really listen to what it is. If I'm wrong, then go back and read my post again and feel free to comment on it.

I'm not looking for a fight, I don't care about your so-called ass-kicking contest. If you think that is what we should focus on then it is no wonder we are in the shape we are. If you want to continue down the path of the 12 year old you seem to be then fine, go right ahead and I'll keep assuming you don't know what the crap you are talking about.

ThomasK wrote:
utocoman wrote:
Obamas plan to get out of Bush's wars.....

My Plan for Iraq
By BARACK OBAMA

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

Read it and smile Tommy boy! Unless of course you are enjoying the slaughter of our troops and Iraqi and Afganistan innocents?

Why don't you get it directly from the horse's mouth, so-to-speak, Mutt. Or are you Jeff? You're both alike, it's hard to tell you apart.

obama.com

redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010

Unconditional surrender, that's what your clown is going to do Mutt err Jeff.

And what he's going to do about Iran is a real treat. He's going to put on a Jimmie Carter/Mr Rogers sweater and have a chitchat. Just gives you goose bumps, doesn't it Mutt?

Secretary Rice has more spheroids than your guy ever will.

ThomasK, we cannot maintain our troop strength beyond this year in Iraq. When our troop levels fall, and they will, the violence will "surge" once again.

Only the Iraqis can solve their problems.

truthhurts wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
truthhurts wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
I don't think you can say for certain what is going to happen next in Iran. Mosul, Sadr City and Basra's headlines are quite different than 6 months ago. The Iraqi people seem to be taking a different course. An unconditional pullout in 16 months is not the answer. That IS for certain.
Really, Thomas? Why is it "for certain"? Have you been appointed some sort of military and political seer or something? Thomas the Seer?

Please post your evidence as to why it is certain. In that evidence, you should post proof that if we withdraw in 16 or 18 or whatever months, the Iraqi's will devolve into a worse situation than they are in now. You should also post proof that the timeline would not induce them to get their act together, especially since they sure seem to want some sort of timeline for us to get out anyway. You know, like how when a teacher sets a timeline for a test, it gets kids to study and prepare for said test. Well, the ones who want to pass the test, anyway.

You should also post proof that the Bush/McCain way will eventually (10 years, 20 years, 50 years, who knows) work to our satisfaction. Our satisfaction, of course, is apparently not an Iraq that can take care of itself, but an Iraq that can do that plus allow us to build bases and use those bases as launching pads for incursions into other areas of the middle east.

And while you are at it, post your proof that all the troops we have tied up in Iraq for all those years won't affect our ability to respond elsewhere if we need to on short notice.

So go ahead, Thomas. Post your proof of the "certainty" of these things. We'll all be waiting on pins and needles for your proof.

Oh, one more thing. No one has ever proposed an "unconditional" pullout in sixteen months that I am aware of. Certainly not Obama. Please present your proof of that as well.

Hold on there Kemo Sabe, before you blow a fuse.

If you're going to drink Obama's kool aid, at least know what you are drinking. Here's a direct quote from his own website:

redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010.

Now drink shug-a-lug, drink, drink, drink, drink....

Even the Iraqi government doesn't want us out for AT LEAST FIVES YEARS. Read the news, (and your own guys website) dimwit before you open your idiotic mouth.

Now let's see what else I can predict? You're going to wet yourself from all that kool aid you're drinking.
Let me make this short and succinct for you.

One. Here is what you said:

An unconditional pullout in 16 months is not the answer. That IS for certain.

Two. You presented no proof, not even any evidence, that an unconditional pullout is not the answer. Your opinion is not proof or evidence.

Three. You presented no proof that Obama said anything in his proposal was "unconditional." Nothing in the part you posted above in bold says anything about it being "unconditional", and I challenge you to post a link to anything Obama has said that says his plan is "unconditional".

So much for Thomas the Seer. Hell, so much for Thomas the Lucid Human Being.

Chug-a-lug, Tommy boy.

You're such a dweeb. Who shives a git what you think. You think unconditional surrender is the answer, go right ahead. Why don't you prove it. And if you think Obama's "plan" to pull out in 16 months by the summer of 2010, is going to make everything hunky dory in the Middle East, dream on kool aid kid. I challenge you to prove it.

Now go cool off with a nice glass of kool aid. You're getting your grundies in a heck of a bundle.