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Dubbs (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Jaye wrote:
Dubss said..."I think you have an odd obession with thinking people are money minded, maybe there just like you and just are trying there best, and your judging them harshly?"
Interesting. You have been obsessed with John's financial circumstances for quite a while. Maybe he's just like you, and he's trying his best, and you're judging HIM harshly.
Or with BBBB...you have been making quite a few remarks about his communication skills, and his grasp of English.
Perhaps he's just like you Dubss. He's a man, just like you. He has his likes and his dislikes, just like you. He is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, just like you.
The only difference I see is that BBBB is not star-struck, as you are, and he is capable of seeing that in HIS neck of the woods, the Church is not living up to their responsibilities to the membership.
This is where similarity ends. You look at the Church, and you can see no wrongdoing...no errors...no mistakes in judgment or in administration.
You are a wealthy man. You claim to own several homes, and be a very young semi-retired man.
You live in a very wealthy Ward. Why WOULD you understand what BBBB is trying to convey? You have no basis for comparison.
BBBB, on the other hand, might not be so wealthy. His fellow members might not be so wealthy. It is possible that he lives in a relatively impoverished area.
It is also possible that the men who have amassed enough wealth to enable them to spend the time and effort as leaders in the faith are not doing their best to care for those who are less fortunate than they are.
My Stake is very diverse. We have people who own waterfront estates on the lakes, or on the Puget Sound...and, being a military zone, we have people living in impoverished circumstances in Section 8 housing.
We are fortunate to have some very decent men administering our Stake. They honor their calling, and take their responsibilities very seriously.
It has not always been like this though. And within the membership, even though our leaders are decent and humble men, we do have a number of members who are very lifted up in the pride of their financial circumstances.
Much as you are.
Dubss said...'Be best to try to talk with them in a one on one setting, and not bad mouth them behind their back.'
To which I reply...Now look who's talking about following the conversation.
This is exactly what BBBB has done. He started off by taking it to his ward leaders, then went to his Stake leaders, and so on and so forth.
He has not received answers to his questions, or his concerns.
You voiced doubt that he received an email from the Secretary of the Twelve telling him to quiet down.
I do not doubt it at all.
After all...the Secretary to the First Presidency took it upon himself to contact the President of the Tabernacle Choir and the LDS Orchestra and opine that they might have an enemy in their midst...(Peter Danzig).
And if a member gets too vocal in his criticism, or his questions...they WILL be contacted by the Church leadership, and told to quiet down.
blah blah hypocrite, blah blah whiner.
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Dubbs (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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ThomasK wrote:Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
ThomasK wrote:
My wife and I never went to counseling. We just bought some "BETTER SEX" tapes. They seem to work quite well.
Always works for me and mine. 
Well of course it does, works for perverts and freaks of all kinds.
Makes me wonder when you started that? I would guess while still active in the church, was this the sin you couldn't stop that made you decide to just leave and think the guilt would disipate? Didn't work did it?
It's none of your business Percy.
What's wrong jealous that me and, my wife have a healthy sexual relationship? 
Oh bother, what to do. Dubbs thinks we're perverts and freaks of all kinds. I guess I should be distraught....NOT.Just those who watch pornography, I guess you fall into this category the way you are defending it. ??
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Dubbs (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
BBBB wrote:
When their date relationship grows to a certain extent, either they take one step forward (to get married, to give a family to each other, etc.), or they take one step backward (to give up their date relationship, and to find someone who can give a family). That is a part of romantic love (in my eyes.) For pure friendship, we do not care when the friend relationship stops to grow and stays at a certain extent for a very long time.
If I see my relationship with Church by the view of friend relationship, I can see those problematic Church policies and practice (ONLY SOME Church policies and practice are problematic) and imagine I am seeing a movie, and I can just give a smile to whatever I see.
If I see my relationship with Church by the view of DATE relationship, I can see those problematic Church policies and practice and think when and how I can have a family and I can give a family to her. A family is a protection, a service, a commitment, etc. to each other. I can wait for a family, when I am not loving the girl so much. When my romantic love for the girl is becoming bigger and bigger, I will find out whether or not we can get married. If yes, both of us started doing something to prepare the marriage/family. If no, do not waste my time, and do not waste your time, and both of us had better find another one who can give us a family (a place suitable for my psychological and spiritual developments). Otherwise, the romantic love is a movie (not a reality). I am a very genuine person, and I do not like anything too virtual.
Dude, just a hint, until you tell us what the sam hell your talking about specifically, notbody even understands enough of your jiberish to even comment.
Oh, and stop with the attempt at parables, Only Christ was good at those, you are not.
The definition of a parable is this:
A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. It differs from a fable in that fables use animals, plants, inanimate objects, and forces of nature as actors while parables generally are stories featuring human actors or agents.
Jesus used parables, but Jesus was not the only individual who utilized parables in instruction, nor was He the only individual who was skilled in using parables.
Remember...Jesus was often frustrated by his Disciples frequent inability to decipher the meaning of His parables.
Parables are found within the Quran, and the Hasidic teachings.
Buddha taught utilizing parables.
Some are good at them, some are not, you and BBBB fall into the latter.
Clear and concise (short, not long winded) is a better way to communicate here.
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Dubbs (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Jaye wrote:
And now as we rapidly approach another Saturday evening...and the Sabbath approaches...the Forum cronies prepare themselves for the inevitable Sunday of dealing with Kent's hateful comments before and after he goes to Church for his weekly stuffing of SMUG.
Don't forget Jaye's buzz fest wine bibbing.
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Dubbs (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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BBBB wrote:[i, the bishop used Ward's money to help the family EVERY MONTH after the family's income dropped due to outsourcing. .Could you at least explain what this outsourcing is refereing to? 
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