Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
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1. The condo is given to them for as long as they live.

2. I wouldn't consider a condo worth $1.2 MILLION dollars in SLC to be a modest little cottage either..


The condo is "Given to them" or is it used as an office for their work and home?


You understand the difference right?


You don't seem to understand that it's not "given" to them as an asset they can sell, pass along to relatives right?

It's used by them while they are in service to the chuch, not "given' to them as something they own.


As I said you love to twist things to make the brethen look bad, just another example.

Tell me something Percy. What size condo did Jesus live in?

Did they have condo's back then?


Different era apostate, differing times.

OK what size home did he live in then?

Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
BBBB wrote:
[iNow, I give the issues I complained and (what year I filed the complaint)
(1) The power abuse of a stake president to mis-use a Church Court (June 2005 – June 2007). My Stake President was alleged to lie to me in the process of handling this case, in order to dismiss the case. I pushed up to Area President (AP) and the GA.

Was this your case or someone elses? If yours why would you be upset he was trying to dismiss it? If someone elses, then it's none of your business to begin with.




(2) A disrespecting Ward Meeting policy regarding food and silence and orders, to discriminate some families with special children (July 2007). This came from some parents disrespecting the bishop, who issued the policy despite the objection of his bishopric. Since the bishopric is my family friends, I successfully overthrew the policy. This one stayed in the Ward level only.


"you" successfully overthrew the policy? More like the Bishop took heed of those around him's advice, and decided on his own to reverse it. You seem to have a need to get involved and take credit for everything.




(3) As a marital counselor, I pushed to open LDS Social Service here (March 2006). It was my personal needs, in terms of me seeing many childhood friends in Church getting divorce. I could not imagine it happened in their families, because they are good guys and good gals. Bishops need professionals to help, and the concerned members and children in the concerned families need religious help as well as professional help. If we send them out to outside non-religious counseling agencies or the outside Christian agencies for counseling service, they would not receive service with Mormon context. I pushed up to the Area Office/AP, the GA and the headquarter of LDS Social Service. This one was not a complaint, but just a request/a brief proposal. Of course, there were some heated debates or discussion (like here in posting). I did not say anything that they were wrong. In fact, they are not wrong in any way. Of course, I failed in this course.



You should have just let it go through the Proper channels, IE, Bishop, Stake President, Area authority, You are abusing the proper line of prieshood leadership.

The following story triggered me my indifference to the Church. In 2007, I was for first time in a conference with many Mormon psychological therapists. The hosts of the Conference were very warm and introduced me to some persons (because the hosts were nice persons, and they did not want to forget a small potato from a brand-new country without any of their members.) They introduced me to a gentleman, whom they called International-Guy. When the International-Guy heard my name and my country, he just gave a cold shoulder, and said he had already received my emails. I did not know what was going on, so just exchanged name cards with each other under the instructions of the hosts. One of the hosts brought me to his table, and gave me a good hospitality (because he did not want me to feel hurt). His hospitality was so good that his past student, a Ph D candidate, on the same table thought that I was a big potato coming from a big country, and tried to befriend with me. I was grateful for the hosts, who are members. I was sad and then became indifferent to the International-Guy, who is also a member, whom I found from the name card to be an assistant head of the LDS Social Service headquarter in Salt Lake City. Why did a good nature of counseling profession and a good nature of Gospel not refine a person who is supposed to be soaked in these two fields?


So you wrote a letter to someone because of an assumed rude behavior of a member?

(4) I proposed to Public Affairs to relate Counseling Service as a community service to my country. This would help the Church image here (June 2004 to June 2005). This was the first part of the above number (3), which appeared to upset the concerned Church staff already in Area Office.

Should be done in proper line of authority, would help your reputation, and not marginalize your many complaints.




(5) A mistake to purchase a small piece of land to build a chapel, where a public pavement has to cut across the land into 2 halves (June 2005). The Ward members have to suffer, unless they give up the land. No normal persons love to buy such a piece of land. I did not care about wasting money, but my concerns were the members using the odd piece of land. I pushed up to the Presiding Bishop and the GA, because it is a mistake of the Area Office/AP, who did not disclose their mistake to the Ward members, but just asked the Ward members to fast and pray for eliminating the problem of the land. (The bishopric and the stake presidency to reveal this problem. Otherwise, no one knows the mistake of AO.)


Are we not asked to help build the kingdom of God? With our time, talents, and everything? How is having a chapel going to hurt the members?


(6) Pushing for Service Missionary and Service volunteers by Area Office (June 2005). Stake Presidency followed to push for it. Bishops objected, and finally aborted. Members were alleged to be lazy and be blamed. I reflected to the GA the pitfalls of such projects, in terms of no liability insurance for volunteers, no concerns and care for volunteers and their energy and time in combination of Sunday meetings, seminary/institute, work/school, family/quorum projects, temple work and genealogy work, long-travelling expenses, etc. I complained to ask the GA to check if the members were exploited. We live in an Area where life is not as relaxed as that in USA.



Again abusing the line of authority, if leaders above you don't feel something is necessary, either pray and wait for further light and knowledge, or take it they also prayed and ask for guidance. To go "over their head" to a GA, makes you look like a complainer, and also shows you are not following the proper line of authority.


To go "over their head" to a GA, makes you look like a complainer, and also shows you are not following the proper line of

Percy are talking about the LDS Church or, the military?






GA is a general Authority in this setting apostate, or are you too far gone from Church membership to even remember what the abrievation for General Authority is?

Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[
1. The condo is given to them for as long as they live.

2. I wouldn't consider a condo worth $1.2 MILLION dollars in SLC to be a modest little cottage either..


The condo is "Given to them" or is it used as an office for their work and home?


You understand the difference right?


You don't seem to understand that it's not "given" to them as an asset they can sell, pass along to relatives right?

It's used by them while they are in service to the chuch, not "given' to them as something they own.


As I said you love to twist things to make the brethen look bad, just another example.

Tell me something Percy. What size condo did Jesus live in?

Did they have condo's back then?


Different era apostate, differing times.

OK what size home did he live in then?




Differing times, differing circumstances apostate, silly arugement, immature arguement.

BBBB wrote:
Quote:Now you're cooking with gas. Perhaps that's what you've really been needing the most.

As you might understand, I have really been needing most a Mormon psychological therapist.

Of course, I need good friends, who are willing to listen, are kind-hearted and pure in heart, and are learnt to distinguish between right and wrong.

Perhaps you would do better to seek professional counseling from sources outside of the LDS Church.

Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:

Are you going to try to claim that you and your wife have NEVER watched an R rated movie?


When we were married we promised each other we would follow the PRophets council, do you know the Prophets council in this regard Jaye?


Jaye said ..."rated are movies are porn anyways"

Yes, that's why we are counciled not to view the filth that is coming out more and more in the last days, you obviously don't follow this advice.
Heh...

I watch alot of "R" rated movies. Ever see "Fatal Attraction"? The Lethal Weapon movies? Some of my favorites..

By the way, if you keep throwing that word out, learn to spell it right. It is COUNSEL or COUNSELED.

Dubbs wrote:
Girl Raised in the South wrote:
BBBB wrote:
"Hi, guys and wrenches
I am thinking: someday I might have a chance to meet many of you on here, in person, in order to show you all my complaints letters to the Church leaders, to discuss my doings, and to digest my own experience, to re-structure my own psychology."



How many complaint letters have you sent to Church leaders, local and/or Church headquarters?


Seriously, this guy seems like he complains about everything.

I've known people like him, it's just what they do, go around finding fault in people so they can complain, the Bishop get's tired of it and asks them to stop, (which his Bishop had to do) and so they start emailing and writing letters to Salt Lake, this BBBB even sounds like he traved to SL to complain in person.


And if his communication skills are the same as they are here, I think I see where the confusion is coming from.
You have been told several times that English is NOT BBBB's first language. Let's see you try to converse in..say.. Spanish, and make yourself perfectly clear. Hell, you can't even do that in English either.