Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
BBBB wrote:
When their date relationship grows to a certain extent, either they take one step forward (to get married, to give a family to each other, etc.), or they take one step backward (to give up their date relationship, and to find someone who can give a family). That is a part of romantic love (in my eyes.) For pure friendship, we do not care when the friend relationship stops to grow and stays at a certain extent for a very long time.

If I see my relationship with Church by the view of friend relationship, I can see those problematic Church policies and practice (ONLY SOME Church policies and practice are problematic) and imagine I am seeing a movie, and I can just give a smile to whatever I see.

If I see my relationship with Church by the view of DATE relationship, I can see those problematic Church policies and practice and think when and how I can have a family and I can give a family to her. A family is a protection, a service, a commitment, etc. to each other. I can wait for a family, when I am not loving the girl so much. When my romantic love for the girl is becoming bigger and bigger, I will find out whether or not we can get married. If yes, both of us started doing something to prepare the marriage/family. If no, do not waste my time, and do not waste your time, and both of us had better find another one who can give us a family (a place suitable for my psychological and spiritual developments). Otherwise, the romantic love is a movie (not a reality). I am a very genuine person, and I do not like anything too virtual.


Dude, just a hint, until you tell us what the sam hell your talking about specifically, notbody even understands enough of your jiberish to even comment.


Oh, and stop with the attempt at parables, Only Christ was good at those, you are not.

The definition of a parable is this:

A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. It differs from a fable in that fables use animals, plants, inanimate objects, and forces of nature as actors while parables generally are stories featuring human actors or agents.

Jesus used parables, but Jesus was not the only individual who utilized parables in instruction, nor was He the only individual who was skilled in using parables.

Remember...Jesus was often frustrated by his Disciples frequent inability to decipher the meaning of His parables.

Parables are found within the Quran, and the Hasidic teachings.

Buddha taught utilizing parables.


Some are good at them, some are not, you and BBBB fall into the latter.


Clear and concise (short, not long winded) is a better way to communicate here.

1. Not every parable is clear and concise.

2. Even Christ's disciples didn't always grasp His meanings when he taught in Parables.

3. Other people have grasped my meaning when I have utilized parables.

The problem doesn't lie with my parables...but with your own poor level of comprehension and poor attention span.


The problem lies in you attemepting to think your as Jesus, and should even attempt to do what he did, THAT is the problem.

You are not spiritually mature enough to try to teach in parables. (not saying I am, therefore I don't try)

Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
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1. The condo is given to them for as long as they live.

2. I wouldn't consider a condo worth $1.2 MILLION dollars in SLC to be a modest little cottage either..


The condo is "Given to them" or is it used as an office for their work and home?


You understand the difference right?


You don't seem to understand that it's not "given" to them as an asset they can sell, pass along to relatives right?

It's used by them while they are in service to the chuch, not "given' to them as something they own.


As I said you love to twist things to make the brethen look bad, just another example.

Tell me something Percy. What size condo did Jesus live in?

Did they have condo's back then?


Different era apostate, differing times.

OK what size home did he live in then?




Differing times, differing circumstances apostate, silly arugement, immature arguement.

Was Jesus's home located in the richest part of town? Was it in a luxurious neighborhood?

You haven't answered the question yet Percy.




It's not relevant, your trying to compare two issues from two different eras.

And your not smart enough to follow logic, I couldn't explain it to you for your simpleton mind to grasp, so I won't.

It is quite relevant.

When Jesus was approached by the rich young ruler and asked what he must do to attain eternal life, Jesus told him he must keep the commandments.

The young man explained that he had kept all the commandments from his youth.

Jesus saw into the heart of the young man, and ascertained that this was true...and He loved the young man, and told him that all he lacked was that he needed to sell all of his worldly possessions and join in His ministry.

Sell it all...give the money to the poor, and come follow with the Lord.

The Savior said...it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

KitKat wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:

Are you going to try to claim that you and your wife have NEVER watched an R rated movie?


When we were married we promised each other we would follow the PRophets council, do you know the Prophets council in this regard Jaye?


Jaye said ..."rated are movies are porn anyways"

Yes, that's why we are counciled not to view the filth that is coming out more and more in the last days, you obviously don't follow this advice.
Heh...

I watch alot of "R" rated movies. Ever see "Fatal Attraction"? The Lethal Weapon movies? Some of my favorites..

By the way, if you keep throwing that word out, learn to spell it right. It is COUNSEL or COUNSELED.


Well why doesn't THAT surprise me you both don't follow the Prophets counsel.

Your both two peas in a pod.


You both ripped Marie Osmond a few months ago, only to find you Jaye does something similar, and you do also Kitkat.


The hypocrite twins.
Hypocrite? You just admitted you don't always wear your own garments, so isn't it a little hypocritical of you to get on me? You're a damn joke.

You sit there at your computer "yelling" at people who you think don't follow the prophets counsel. And yet, look at yourself, being all judgmental. Hypocritical? You bet. You have no room at all to be judging anyone else, so get off your high horse.


Never said I do the same things, I said I follow the guidlines given in the Bishops handbook.

Now YOU are the one ripping Marie, while doing the same thing.
Yes you did say you remove your garments for a period of time and then put them back on. Or was that a lie?

There are plenty of beautiful dresses out there that would cover Marie's garments if she so chose. And you know it, so shut up. The church counsels us to dress modestly. Baring your whole back, and I do mean the whole back, is not modest according to Church standards. I'm not ripping Marie, I know the kid and love her. I'm simply stating a fact.

As a teenager, my bishop was always commending me for dressing modestly and not going along with the crowd. And I still do, regardless of what you think.


No, I said when I work out, I take them off, work out, shower, put them back on. As has been an excpetion in the Bishops handbook that is Ok, do you even know what a bishops handbook is Kitkat? Or what it says on this topic?

Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
BBBB wrote:
When their date relationship grows to a certain extent, either they take one step forward (to get married, to give a family to each other, etc.), or they take one step backward (to give up their date relationship, and to find someone who can give a family). That is a part of romantic love (in my eyes.) For pure friendship, we do not care when the friend relationship stops to grow and stays at a certain extent for a very long time.

If I see my relationship with Church by the view of friend relationship, I can see those problematic Church policies and practice (ONLY SOME Church policies and practice are problematic) and imagine I am seeing a movie, and I can just give a smile to whatever I see.

If I see my relationship with Church by the view of DATE relationship, I can see those problematic Church policies and practice and think when and how I can have a family and I can give a family to her. A family is a protection, a service, a commitment, etc. to each other. I can wait for a family, when I am not loving the girl so much. When my romantic love for the girl is becoming bigger and bigger, I will find out whether or not we can get married. If yes, both of us started doing something to prepare the marriage/family. If no, do not waste my time, and do not waste your time, and both of us had better find another one who can give us a family (a place suitable for my psychological and spiritual developments). Otherwise, the romantic love is a movie (not a reality). I am a very genuine person, and I do not like anything too virtual.


Dude, just a hint, until you tell us what the sam hell your talking about specifically, notbody even understands enough of your jiberish to even comment.


Oh, and stop with the attempt at parables, Only Christ was good at those, you are not.

The definition of a parable is this:

A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. It differs from a fable in that fables use animals, plants, inanimate objects, and forces of nature as actors while parables generally are stories featuring human actors or agents.

Jesus used parables, but Jesus was not the only individual who utilized parables in instruction, nor was He the only individual who was skilled in using parables.

Remember...Jesus was often frustrated by his Disciples frequent inability to decipher the meaning of His parables.

Parables are found within the Quran, and the Hasidic teachings.

Buddha taught utilizing parables.


Some are good at them, some are not, you and BBBB fall into the latter.


Clear and concise (short, not long winded) is a better way to communicate here.

1. Not every parable is clear and concise.

2. Even Christ's disciples didn't always grasp His meanings when he taught in Parables.

3. Other people have grasped my meaning when I have utilized parables.

The problem doesn't lie with my parables...but with your own poor level of comprehension and poor attention span.


The problem lies in you attemepting to think your as Jesus, and should even attempt to do what he did, THAT is the problem.

You are not spiritually mature enough to try to teach in parables. (not saying I am, therefore I don't try)
How dare you say that when you have disrespected Christ by calling him "Jeezus" or something similar? Clean up your own act before you try and judge others.

Jaye wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[
1. The condo is given to them for as long as they live.

2. I wouldn't consider a condo worth $1.2 MILLION dollars in SLC to be a modest little cottage either..


The condo is "Given to them" or is it used as an office for their work and home?


You understand the difference right?


You don't seem to understand that it's not "given" to them as an asset they can sell, pass along to relatives right?

It's used by them while they are in service to the chuch, not "given' to them as something they own.


As I said you love to twist things to make the brethen look bad, just another example.

Tell me something Percy. What size condo did Jesus live in?

Did they have condo's back then?


Different era apostate, differing times.

OK what size home did he live in then?




Differing times, differing circumstances apostate, silly arugement, immature arguement.

Was Jesus's home located in the richest part of town? Was it in a luxurious neighborhood?

You haven't answered the question yet Percy.




It's not relevant, your trying to compare two issues from two different eras.

And your not smart enough to follow logic, I couldn't explain it to you for your simpleton mind to grasp, so I won't.

It is quite relevant.

When Jesus was approached by the rich young ruler and asked what he must do to attain eternal life, Jesus told him he must keep the commandments.

The young man explained that he had kept all the commandments from his youth.

Jesus saw into the heart of the young man, and ascertained that this was true...and He loved the young man, and told him that all he lacked was that he needed to sell all of his worldly possessions and join in His ministry.

Sell it all...give the money to the poor, and come follow with the Lord.

The Savior said...it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.


So what are you saying? No rich person can be Christian and go to heaven?


Or did Jesus teaching have exceptions?

Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
[
1. The condo is given to them for as long as they live.

2. I wouldn't consider a condo worth $1.2 MILLION dollars in SLC to be a modest little cottage either..


The condo is "Given to them" or is it used as an office for their work and home?


You understand the difference right?


You don't seem to understand that it's not "given" to them as an asset they can sell, pass along to relatives right?

It's used by them while they are in service to the chuch, not "given' to them as something they own.


As I said you love to twist things to make the brethen look bad, just another example.

Tell me something Percy. What size condo did Jesus live in?

Did they have condo's back then?


Different era apostate, differing times.

OK what size home did he live in then?




Differing times, differing circumstances apostate, silly arugement, immature arguement.

Was Jesus's home located in the richest part of town? Was it in a luxurious neighborhood?

You haven't answered the question yet Percy.




It's not relevant, your trying to compare two issues from two different eras.

And your not smart enough to follow logic, I couldn't explain it to you for your simpleton mind to grasp, so I won't.

I'll take that to mean that, you don't have a defence for your argument Percy.