truthhurts wrote:
Who said anything about communism? I said capitalism. Even though China is socialist, they are trying to move to a more capitalistic economy. They have a stock market and everything. Guess you didn't hear. You need to get out more.

Now you've got smoke coming out of your ears. Didn't you hear, they have electricity. So according to your logic, their polution problems must be electricity's fault.

For your rant about capitalism causing ALL the polution on earth, PROVE IT. Back yourself further into the corner. (Of the outhouse.)

truthhurts wrote:
Ah, so your explanation for the national debt rising during Reagan, Bush1 and Bush2 is that they just had bad business cycles whereas Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford,Carter, and Clinton did not. Is that your story? Fairy tale is more like it.

Sorry, but they had bad business cycles (recessions), too and still managed to reduce the debt, or at least not allow it to grow. But they did not give massive tax breaks to the wealthy, thus really driving down tax revenues, did they?

Earth to clueless. I've always said that the national debt is a huge problem.
So is the never ending "cycle" of increased government spending. What's your graph paper say about that?

Since you like emotions so much take your pick.

ThomasK wrote;
truthhurts wrote:
So you think the consumer has a responsibility in the mortgage mess? OK, they do share the blame...about 1% How's that? People will take what is given them...it is human nature. Business, on the other hand is supposed to be a little more intelligent. If a mortgage company is stupid enough to offer no down payment loans for people with shaky credit, people will take them up on it.

Here's your buddy George Bush, the guy you voted for twice, explaining the mortgage mess as only he could. Please be so kind as to tell me who he blames, business (wall street) or the consumer for these shady financial instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgEuuypvzpY

I never said it was all the consumers fault. But good grief, only 1%! Who was holding a gun to their head to go into debt up to their eyeballs? But then you don't believe in personal responsibility. So I understand. Our financial system fed this frenzy. They are just as responsible. No down payment, interest only, and unresonable home lines of credit.

In the end, "humans" have personal responsibility. But you just want to say, poor them, they just didn't know better. Duh, they didn't. Neither did the financial institutions.
Can't even answer a simple question, can you? Once again, whose fault did your hero, George W. Bush, say it was? Business (Wall Street) or the consumer? Can you handle that simple task?

BTW, those "fancy financial instruments" Bush is referring to are the pooled mortgage securities Wall Street cooked up (without any regulatory oversight, of course) wherein they pooled these risky mortgages with some regular mortgages, waved a magic wand over them, pronounced them AAA debt, and peddled them to the market. We've seen the result of that, huh?

ThomasK wrote;
truthhurts wrote:
First, you ignore my question. You can't argue to let Adam Smith's "invisible hand" of capitalism cure all, then say the EPA is great and you Republicans created it. The need for the EPA was the abuses of business. Remember the Love Canal? The "profit motive" did not help the environment there, did it?
You twit, I never said capitalism is a cure all. Another pile your bull $%&#. But then that's from a guy that thinks taxes are the cure all to everything.
Careful Thomas, you are losing your composure again. Better stop swearing or the Bishop will give a reprimand. Do you do this around those impressionable young scouts you work with? I certainly hope not.

Fact: There is nothing in capitalism that will protect the environment, worker safety, or anything else that does not relate to the profit motive. Capitalism is a wonderful economic system provided it has some controls to protect it (and us) from the abuses it will, without fail, exhibit without said controls. Case in point: Said mortgage mess mentioned above.

ThomasK wrote:
truthhurts wrote:
Who said anything about communism? I said capitalism. Even though China is socialist, they are trying to move to a more capitalistic economy. They have a stock market and everything. Guess you didn't hear. You need to get out more.
Now you've got smoke coming out of your ears. Didn't you hear, they have electricity. So according to your logic, their polution problems must be electricity's fault.

For your rant about capitalism causing ALL the polution on earth, PROVE IT. Back yourself further into the corner. (Of the outhouse.)
Please stick to the task at hand, Thomas. I never said that capitalism caused all pollution on earth, nor did I imply it. I simply said there is nothing in capitalism itself that leads business to protect the environment, because those things cost money, not make money, and that is counter to the profit motive.

Now, if you'd like to discuss that, fine, but don't make things up. It makes you look desperate.

ThomasK wrote;
truthhurts wrote:
Second, regarding the creation of the EPA, I'd say you were full of compassionate conservative crap, Thomas. You need a BM. It started with Rachel Carson's book "Silent Spring", and was fed with a healthy dose of anti-Vietnam protest spirit. One thing led to another, and the agency was created by a Republican President (Nixon) and a Democratic majority Congress (House and Senate). Doubtful it would have happened with a Republican Congress, given the fact they have been trying to neuter it ever since.
A book started the EPA? Try not to do drugs before you post. Or are you smoking one of Clinton's dog turds. Don't forget to lick.
Don't believe me Thomas? Perhaps you will believe the EPA website itself. They mention it as an impetus, as being a cornerstone of the entire environmental movement.

1962 - Rachel Carson's book, Silent Spring, alerts the general public to the hidden dangers associated with pesticide use. Silent Spring becomes a cornerstone of the environmental movement, highlighting the causal relationship between human action and adverse changes to human health and the environment.

http://www.epa.gov/superfund/20years/ch1pg1.htm

Don't look now, Thomas, but you have dog turd all over your face. Don't forget to lick.

Will you be swearing at me again? Will you be sending me more PM's telling me what a jerk I am? Temper, temper, Thomas.

You were cautioned a few days ago (by utocoman, I believe) to stop digging your hole deeper when behind. Now would be a good time for you to adhere to that advice. Or not, as you choose.

truthhurts wrote:
Because that is al Qaeda's home base, perhaps?And the area bin Laden (who was never in Iraq) is, perhaps? You remember him...the guy who masterminded 9/11....they guy we are after?

Perhaps? That's a good one. Now you sound just like Bush.

So you know EXACTLY where bin Laden is? Perhaps you should put on a sweater and have a meeting with him. Without preconditions, of course.

truthhurts wrote:
ThomasK wrote;
truthhurts wrote:
So you think the consumer has a responsibility in the mortgage mess? OK, they do share the blame...about 1% How's that? People will take what is given them...it is human nature. Business, on the other hand is supposed to be a little more intelligent. If a mortgage company is stupid enough to offer no down payment loans for people with shaky credit, people will take them up on it.

Here's your buddy George Bush, the guy you voted for twice, explaining the mortgage mess as only he could. Please be so kind as to tell me who he blames, business (wall street) or the consumer for these shady financial instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgEuuypvzpY

I never said it was all the consumers fault. But good grief, only 1%! Who was holding a gun to their head to go into debt up to their eyeballs? But then you don't believe in personal responsibility. So I understand. Our financial system fed this frenzy. They are just as responsible. No down payment, interest only, and unresonable home lines of credit.

In the end, "humans" have personal responsibility. But you just want to say, poor them, they just didn't know better. Duh, they didn't. Neither did the financial institutions.
Can't even answer a simple question, can you? Once again, whose fault did your hero, George W. Bush, say it was? Business (Wall Street) or the consumer? Can you handle that simple task?

BTW, those "fancy financial instruments" Bush is referring to are the pooled mortgage securities Wall Street cooked up (without any regulatory oversight, of course) wherein they pooled these risky mortgages with some regular mortgages, waved a magic wand over them, pronounced them AAA debt, and peddled them to the market. We've seen the result of that, huh?

ThomasK wrote;
truthhurts wrote:
First, you ignore my question. You can't argue to let Adam Smith's "invisible hand" of capitalism cure all, then say the EPA is great and you Republicans created it. The need for the EPA was the abuses of business. Remember the Love Canal? The "profit motive" did not help the environment there, did it?
You twit, I never said capitalism is a cure all. Another pile your bull $%&#. But then that's from a guy that thinks taxes are the cure all to everything.
Careful Thomas, you are losing your composure again. Better stop swearing or the Bishop will give a reprimand. Do you do this around those impressionable young scouts you work with? I certainly hope not.

Fact: There is nothing in capitalism that will protect the environment, worker safety, or anything else that does not relate to the profit motive. Capitalism is a wonderful economic system provided it has some controls to protect it (and us) from the abuses it will, without fail, exhibit without said controls. Case in point: Said mortgage mess mentioned above.

ThomasK wrote;
truthhurts wrote:
Second, regarding the creation of the EPA, I'd say you were full of compassionate conservative crap, Thomas. You need a BM. It started with Rachel Carson's book "Silent Spring", and was fed with a healthy dose of anti-Vietnam protest spirit. One thing led to another, and the agency was created by a Republican President (Nixon) and a Democratic majority Congress (House and Senate). Doubtful it would have happened with a Republican Congress, given the fact they have been trying to neuter it ever since.
A book started the EPA? Try not to do drugs before you post. Or are you smoking one of Clinton's dog turds. Don't forget to lick.
Don't belive me Thomas? Perhaps you will belive the EPA website itself. They mention it as an impetus, as being a cornerstone of the entire environmental movement.

Maybe you should be the advisor to Obama, outlaw business and the polution problem is solved. That's your answer to every problem, business is the evil cause of every problem. Go tell you employer you can't accept any money from them anymore, they're contribing to evil. While you're at it, burn all your clothes, they were made by evil businesses.