Uncle_Bud wrote:
Daijobu wrote:
As one who is a non-student who lives in the area I have no sympathy for all the complaining. I am very sick of my street being a parking lot. I for one didn't want the restrictions for the evening and night, but from 7am-6pm, but many other residence have problems at night.

These are just a few things I've seen over the years. Students (who else parks grabs a back pack and walks toward campus) have parked in front of my DRIVEWAY - I have them towed. I've had them park in front of the fire hydrant, on the curved corner of the intersection, and (my fav) squeezing their jacked up SUV/truck in a space only big enough for a Mini between my driveway and the people next door. They go WAY over the 25MPH speed limit, they pass slower drivers and they throw trash out the window onto my lawn. considering there is a school zone and a park in the area I don't think the city has done enough to keep people and kids in the area safe.

My family has live in this area for over 70 years and it is the increase of students that have changed the area. I have NO sympathy! When I went to school I bought a parking permit and went early to hunt for a spot. I respected the people who lived near the school and stayed out of their neighborhoods.

You would think that out of all the students in the world that those going to "the Lord's University" would be more respectful, but they are not. They are as selfish as any other. Yes I know he's from UVU, but he's in the minority in the area.

I still believe that BYU should require all of the OUT OF STATE students to leave their cars home..We have buses for them to use.

Aren't there buses for the IN STATE students to use, too? Why don't they required all students to use the local bus system?

FeloniousMonk wrote:

If you don't like the program, either convince your friend to vote or to move. I agree with Prof. Geddicks in the article--you have no case.

The good BYU professor has suffered a major brain fart, IMHO. The right to assemble is not limited to assemblies aimed at petitioning the government for redress. It's an independent clause, separated by a comma and the conjunction "AND." To say otherwise makes no sense. If the two ideas dependent upon one another, then the only way to petition the government would be to assemble for that purpose.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

People have a protected right to assemble in church bodies, at social clubs, at family picnics, for romantic dating, to visit a friend, to engage in protests at the LDS Conference Center, etc., etc., etc. The only way the government has any say over the matter is in the regulation of public safety by means of "time, place and manner" controls. An outright prohibition on assembly is unconstitutional, a principle that has been thoroughly adjudicated.

Somehow I doubt that mandatory parking permits on a public street will stand scrutiny as time/place/manner regulation.

Betzz wrote:
Uncle_Bud wrote:
Daijobu wrote:
As one who is a non-student who lives in the area I have no sympathy for all the complaining. I am very sick of my street being a parking lot. I for one didn't want the restrictions for the evening and night, but from 7am-6pm, but many other residence have problems at night.

These are just a few things I've seen over the years. Students (who else parks grabs a back pack and walks toward campus) have parked in front of my DRIVEWAY - I have them towed. I've had them park in front of the fire hydrant, on the curved corner of the intersection, and (my fav) squeezing their jacked up SUV/truck in a space only big enough for a Mini between my driveway and the people next door. They go WAY over the 25MPH speed limit, they pass slower drivers and they throw trash out the window onto my lawn. considering there is a school zone and a park in the area I don't think the city has done enough to keep people and kids in the area safe.

My family has live in this area for over 70 years and it is the increase of students that have changed the area. I have NO sympathy! When I went to school I bought a parking permit and went early to hunt for a spot. I respected the people who lived near the school and stayed out of their neighborhoods.

You would think that out of all the students in the world that those going to "the Lord's University" would be more respectful, but they are not. They are as selfish as any other. Yes I know he's from UVU, but he's in the minority in the area.

I still believe that BYU should require all of the OUT OF STATE students to leave their cars home..We have buses for them to use.

Aren't there buses for the IN STATE students to use, too? Why don't they required all students to use the local bus system?

It would be better if all the students used the buses!

Betzz wrote:
Uncle_Bud wrote:
Daijobu wrote:
As one who is a non-student who lives in the area I have no sympathy for all the complaining. I am very sick of my street being a parking lot. I for one didn't want the restrictions for the evening and night, but from 7am-6pm, but many other residence have problems at night.

These are just a few things I've seen over the years. Students (who else parks grabs a back pack and walks toward campus) have parked in front of my DRIVEWAY - I have them towed. I've had them park in front of the fire hydrant, on the curved corner of the intersection, and (my fav) squeezing their jacked up SUV/truck in a space only big enough for a Mini between my driveway and the people next door. They go WAY over the 25MPH speed limit, they pass slower drivers and they throw trash out the window onto my lawn. considering there is a school zone and a park in the area I don't think the city has done enough to keep people and kids in the area safe.

My family has live in this area for over 70 years and it is the increase of students that have changed the area. I have NO sympathy! When I went to school I bought a parking permit and went early to hunt for a spot. I respected the people who lived near the school and stayed out of their neighborhoods.

You would think that out of all the students in the world that those going to "the Lord's University" would be more respectful, but they are not. They are as selfish as any other. Yes I know he's from UVU, but he's in the minority in the area.

I still believe that BYU should require all of the OUT OF STATE students to leave their cars home..We have buses for them to use.

Aren't there buses for the IN STATE students to use, too? Why don't they required all students to use the local bus system?

It would be better if all the students used the buses!

GrackMarginal wrote:
FeloniousMonk wrote:

If you don't like the program, either convince your friend to vote or to move. I agree with Prof. Geddicks in the article--you have no case.

The good BYU professor has suffered a major brain fart, IMHO. The right to assemble is not limited to assemblies aimed at petitioning the government for redress. It's an independent clause, separated by a comma and the conjunction "AND."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

People have a protected right to assemble in church bodies, at social clubs, at family picnics, for romantic dating, to visit a friend, to engage in protests at the LDS Conference Center, etc., etc., etc. The only way the government has any say over the matter is in the regulation of public safety by means of "time, place and manner" controls. An outright prohibition on assembly is unconstitutional, a principle that has been thoroughly adjudicated.

Somehow I doubt that mandatory parking permits on a public street will stand scrutiny as time/place/manner regulation.

Go back and read the statement by Alexander Hamilton, who understood the Constitution, far better than the rest of us, Grack.

He woud say, "pay the damn ticket, slacker".

Mountian Lion wrote:
eh, I think it is good. The city needs to know they can't just do whatever they want whenever they want.

You don't know the whole situation. The residents in the area have been begging for a parking permit program. The City only stepped in and implemented it because the residents demanded it. This is definitely not "the city doing whatever they want whenever they want."