I'm LDS and I'm against the war. I'm also a veteran who served in Afghanistan. I guess that totally hoses your stereo-type.

As for party affiliation, I only registered Democrat so I could vote against Hillary in the primaries, though it would seem there were enough people out there who were scared enough of her to do the same.

In reality, I don't like to affiliate with either party. I think parties and the rhetoric behind them is hurting our nation today. Call me naive, but I'm starting to wonder if we wouldn't be better off without them.

And FYI, I recall the First Presidency of the LDS Church expressing some concern over the Iraq War at about the time of its onset. It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? That's the whole reason I began to look into the motives behind it and followed a lot of what was being said. I think that means that supporters of the war really can't hide behind the LDS faith.

Everybody Loves Raymond wrote:
lucid_green wrote:
I was against the war from the start. I remember the chatter about it while in basic training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. Now, because of it, I'm a veteran. I thank my lucky stars I wasn't in Iraq during my tour, but in Afghanistan where the true perpetrator are still lurking and going nearly unchecked do to the Iraqi distraction.
So I've served my country overseas. You can't tell me I'm un-American or unpatriotic. I've given more than the whole administration who put us there, may they be tried for their crimes.

So let me get this straight, you volunteered to go in the Army, but you were against the war? Did you go in just to stir up trouble among the other troops? What was your real motivation? Being a plant for Moveon.org? It is asses like you that go in hating the Army instead of loving it and then come out and moan and groan about cold peas in the chow line, the matresses are too firm or Humvees that don't have showers in them or something trival like that instead of supporting the Commander in Chief, who has kept us safe since 9/11, in the war against Islamic terror.

You really have no idea...

There was no war when I joined. I actually joined in June 2001, roughly 3 months before 9-11.

But I stayed the course and my commitment. It led me to serving in Afghanistan, a service of which I am proud. The only complaining I did was in private and I often listened to both sides of the argument. I still do.

As for you, I think your comments warrant being reported.

lucid_green wrote:
Everybody Loves Raymond wrote:
lucid_green wrote:
I was against the war from the start. I remember the chatter about it while in basic training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. Now, because of it, I'm a veteran. I thank my lucky stars I wasn't in Iraq during my tour, but in Afghanistan where the true perpetrator are still lurking and going nearly unchecked do to the Iraqi distraction.
So I've served my country overseas. You can't tell me I'm un-American or unpatriotic. I've given more than the whole administration who put us there, may they be tried for their crimes.

So let me get this straight, you volunteered to go in the Army, but you were against the war? Did you go in just to stir up trouble among the other troops? What was your real motivation? Being a plant for Moveon.org? It is asses like you that go in hating the Army instead of loving it and then come out and moan and groan about cold peas in the chow line, the matresses are too firm or Humvees that don't have showers in them or something trival like that instead of supporting the Commander in Chief, who has kept us safe since 9/11, in the war against Islamic terror.

You really have no idea...

Don't pay much attention to "raymond." He's just a troll.

That explains it.

lucid_green wrote:
I'm LDS and I'm against the war. I'm also a veteran who served in Afghanistan. I guess that totally hoses your stereo-type.

As for party affiliation, I only registered Democrat so I could vote against Hillary in the primaries, though it would seem there were enough people out there who were scared enough of her to do the same.

In reality, I don't like to affiliate with either party. I think parties and the rhetoric behind them is hurting our nation today. Call me naive, but I'm starting to wonder if we wouldn't be better off without them.

And FYI, I recall the First Presidency of the LDS Church expressing some concern over the Iraq War at about the time of its onset. It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? That's the whole reason I began to look into the motives behind it and followed a lot of what was being said. I think that means that supporters of the war really can't hide behind the LDS faith.

Here is a speech by the former pres hinckley regarding the war:
http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,49-1-353-27,00.html
Here is his conversation with Larry King:
We're also showing you military scenes around the world celebrating the Christmas season. I would imagine there are members of your faith in Iraq.

HINCKLEY: There are.

KING: How does that affect you, that whole war? Is it hard to deal with - a man of peace - in this war?

HINCKLEY: Of course it is. We believe in peace. We work for peace. We pray for peace.
But we are all citizens of the nation. And we meet our responsibility, as that responsibility is defined by our leadership in the nation.

KING: What if you disagree with the leadership?

HINCKLEY: Well, we can disagree, but we still have an obligation, a responsibility.

KING: Have you spoken to men or women who have gone over to Iraq?

HINCKLEY: Oh, yes. I've spoken to some, yes.

KING: Have you ever had to deal with them? Have you lost anyone yet?

HINCKLEY: We've lost some here, yes. Not right here. But, yes. It's a tragedy. It's a terrible tragedy.
I pray every night that this thing may come to a peaceful conclusion, that we can get along together without carrying on war endlessly over there.

KING: Billy Graham - a friend of yours and mine - told me once that, basically, he thought his mission had failed in that, with all the preaching and all the talk, we still have war. We still have prejudice. We still have people hating people.

HINCKLEY: Meanness. So much meanness.

KING: Why?

HINCKLEY: Well, God gave us our agency. He taught us a way. He showed us what to do. But he gave us our agency and left us free to act as we choose to do.
But with that freedom comes responsibility and accountability. And we shall have to answer for that which we do.


No good ever comes from war unless it is in defense of your lives (home family, etc.)

lucid_green wrote:
I'm LDS and I'm against the war. I'm also a veteran who served in Afghanistan. I guess that totally hoses your stereo-type.

As for party affiliation, I only registered Democrat so I could vote against Hillary in the primaries, though it would seem there were enough people out there who were scared enough of her to do the same.

In reality, I don't like to affiliate with either party. I think parties and the rhetoric behind them is hurting our nation today. Call me naive, but I'm starting to wonder if we wouldn't be better off without them.

And FYI, I recall the First Presidency of the LDS Church expressing some concern over the Iraq War at about the time of its onset. It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? That's the whole reason I began to look into the motives behind it and followed a lot of what was being said. I think that means that supporters of the war really can't hide behind the LDS faith.

Thank you for your service.

As far being against the war, are you talking about Afghanistan and/or Iraq?

I don't understand your last sentence. What do you mean?