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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: -512  
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* The Book of Mormon contends that at the tower of Babel, a group of people known as the Jaredites had their separate language (Ether 1:34-35, emp. added). As most Bible students know, however, until God confused the languages at Babel (Genesis 11:7-9), “the whole earth was of one language” (Genesis 11:1, emp. added). It seems Joseph Smith mistakenly thought there were many different languages at Babel and that God confounded them while sparing the language of the Jaredites. The fact is, there was only one language and God confounded the people by creating different languages.




This is an example of the stupidity of the Anti's.

The Jaradites had the same language as the rest of the world, as we read in Genesis was the case, they just weren't confounded, therefore they as a group still could understand each other, and communicated their departure to the proimised land.

The Book of Mormon doesn't say they had their own language, or that there was many languages, just that there's was not confounded.
 
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: -43  
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Good night Percy and, don't forget to get into the bed far enough.

Yes, don't forget your male blow up doll Johny.


Sorry don't need one my lovely wife will do fine!!!

Your really a great example of a "priesthood holder".

Why don't you show that last comment to your Bishop Percy.



So have you discussed this comment with your Bishop yet Percy?

 
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: -43  
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
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Sir John the Apostate wrote:
Good night Percy and, don't forget to get into the bed far enough.

Yes, don't forget your male blow up doll Johny.


Sorry don't need one my lovely wife will do fine!!!

Your really a great example of a "priesthood holder".

Why don't you show that last comment to your Bishop Percy.



So have you discussed this comment with your Bishop yet Percy?



I bet he'll have questions about how far in the bed you are.

 
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[b * Contrary to the Bible prophecy concerning the Lord’s birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), and the fulfillment of that prophecy in Matthew 2:1, the Book of Mormon reads: “And behold, he (Jesus) shall be born of Mary at Jerusalem” (Alma 7:10, parenthetical comment and emp. added). The writer of the Book of Mormon was simply wrong.


Another silly arguement by the anti's.


In Alma's time, 500 years after Nephi arrived in the New World, details of the geography of Israel were long forgotten. We should not be surprised to see that the land of Jerusalem is referred to as the place of Christ's birth - an entirely accurate and useful description, given the meaning of the phrase - rather than the nearby village of Bethlehem, a virtual suburb of the city of Jerusalem, roughly 5 miles away.
On this point, critics have long argued that the Book of Mormon is false because "everybody knows that Christ was born in Bethlehem." Certainly Joseph Smith knew that - he was familiar with much of the Bible and had heard the story of Christ's birth numerous times. If he were making the Book of Mormon up, why on earth would he make such a terrible blunder, placing Christ's birth in Jerusalem? How could he make such a thoughtless and stupid blunder in the midst of an otherwise enormously clever fraud? The "blunder" makes no sense if Joseph Smith were the author - but it is not a blunder at all and makes perfect sense if he were only translating an authentic ancient document. The use of the term "land of Jerusalem" in Alma 7:10 and many other locations can now be viewed as powerful evidence for the authenticity of the Book of Mormon, based on recent discoveries about the use of that term in the ancient world. Joseph Smith could not possibly have made that up.

Biblical cities, like those of the Book of Mormon, controlled nearby land. Hence, we read of "the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land" (Joshua 8:1) and of the city of Hebron, its suburbs, fields and villages (1 Chronicles 6:55-56). In the Bible, cities are sometimes called by the term "land." Tappuah is called a "land" in Joshua 17:8, but a "city" in Joshua 16:8. Jeremiah prophesied that Jerusalem would become "a land not inhabited" (Jeremiah 6:8; cf. 15:5-7). The Mesha or Moabite stela of the ninth century B.C. provides contemporary archaeological evidence for the interchange of "city" and "land." The text, reporting the rebellion of Mesha, king of Moab, against Israel, lists a number of "lands" which are known from the Bible to be cities. Internal evidence also implies that they are cities, since Mesha noted that he had "built" these lands. The reason that lands were named after their principal cities was that some cities controlled other nearby sites. In the account of the assignment of lands to the tribes under Joshua, we frequently read of "cities with their villages" (Joshua 13:23, 28; 15:32, 36, 41, 44, 46-47, 51, 54, 57, 59-60, 62; 16:9; 18:24, 28; 19:6-8, 15-16, 22, 30-31, 38-39, 48; 21:12). Sometimes the word "daughters" was used in the Hebrew text to mean "villages," in the sense of satellites (Exodus 21:25, 32; 2 Chronicles 28:18; Nehemiah 11:25, 27, 30-31). In some cases, a known city is named and is said to have other cities, towns or villages under its dominion. Thus, we read of "Heshbon and all her cities" (Joshua 13:17), "Ekron, with her towns and her villages" (Joshua 15:45), "Megiddo and her towns" (Joshua 17:11), and "Ashdod, with her towns and her villages" (Joshua 15:47). Jeremiah 34:1 speaks of "Jerusalem and . . . all the cities thereof." The use of the name Jerusalem to denote both a city and a land is followed, in the Bible, by references to Samaria, the capital city of the northern kingdom of Israel. Old Testament scriptures frequently extend the term Samaria to include surrounding regions or "the cities of Samaria" under the political control of the state (1 Kings 13:32; 2 Kings 17:24, 26; 23:19).

Clay tablets written in the fourteenth century B.C. and found in 1887 at el-Amarna in Egypt use the term "land" for Canaanite sites known to have been ancient cities. For example, one text (EA 289)speaks of the "town of Rubutu," while another mentions the "land of Rubutu" (EA 290). The first of these also speaks of "land of Shechem," and "the land of the town of Gath-carmel" (both ancient cities) and says of Jerusalem, "this land belongs to the king." A third text mentions the lands of Gezer, Ashkelon, and Jerusalem (EA 287).

But there is evidence that, even in the Old World, Bethlehem was considered to be part of the "land of Jerusalem." One of the Amarna texts (EA 290) speaks of "a town in the land of Jerusalem" named Bît-Lahmi, which is the Canaanite equivalent of the Hebrew name rendered Beth-lehem in English Bibles.

We conclude that Lehi's descendants in the New World followed authentic Old World custom in denominating each land by the principal city in the land. This kind of detail lends evidence to the authenticity and antiquity of the Book of Mormon text.

John Tvedtnes
 
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: -26  
Sir John the Apostate wrote:
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Your problem appears to be this Kent. You are not capable of seeing the big picture.

You are not capable of grasping the enormity of truth...in all it's forms.

You have never gotten past requiring the milk of the gospel...and have never developed a taste for the meat of the matter.

Perhaps one day you will grow out of this infantile stage, and perhaps then we can carry on a mature conversation.

But until you get over this phase...this is not possible.



Ahhh, there's the arrogance coming out of cliffy, the guy who doesn't believe 95% of the Gospel, but then lectures others (in his long winded diatribes) about how they don't know the gospel

I'll stick with the spirit, and the Prophets for my beliefs Jaye, but thanks.

If your belives are the more enlightened and mature, I wonder why the Prophets and most of the church disagree's with your beliefs? Telling.



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What's funny is, he mispelled when he got on JR's case for mispelling.
 
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Nothing new for Dubbs, ThomasK.
 
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