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Betzz (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dubbs wrote:Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
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But neither me, you, OR the Church can prove that God considers the Book of Mormon to be of higher import than the Bible...and that overrules individual belief.
And you can't prove that it thinks the bible is above any other.
But it says alot when they call one the "keystone" of our religion.
It says more when your apostles call the Bible the foundation of the latter day gospel. A keystone rests on the foundation. Capiche, Guiuseppe?
No, a Keystone rests in a doorway archway, a Cornerstone rests on the foundation dar dar.  A keystone can also mean "something on which associated things depend". We are talking philosophy here, not a building.
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Words for Dubbs from an apostle: "More regrettable than the [LDS] Church being accused of not being Christian is when church members react to such accusations in an un-Christlike way," Apostle Robert D. Hales said on the second day of the two-day conference. "Surely our Heavenly Father is saddened - and the devil laughs - when we contentiously debate doctrinal differences with our Christian neighbors."
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Wren (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Russel Ballard clearly indicated that the Bible is directly responsible for motivating young Joseph Smith to walk out to an isolated grove of trees one morning.
Yes, sure it did, but that doesn't say anywhere that any scripture is more important than another, I'm still waiting for this claim.
This indicates to me that the Bible is of utmost importance to the LDS Church.
Utmost as much as the BofM, equal, here's proof from the BofM itself...
The Bible and the Book of Mormon "shall grow together, unto the confounding of false doctrines and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace" (2 Nephi 3:12).
If something grows together, they become equal.
It contains the first witness to salvation through Jesus Christ. And the Book of Mormon is simply another witness to salvation through Jesus Christ.
Simply another witness, to some it's the only witness, and their converstion tool, you downplay it's importance, without it, the LDS faith wouldn't exist.
If both are equal...than the Church's belief that the Book of Mormon is the keystone of the LDS Church is false, and misleading.
It is the keystone because without it, we would be just another church, with it, we have proof of continued revelation, Prophets, etc etc etc, our church would fall without it.
Please notice that Dubbs left out the statement that the Bible is the foundation of Mormonism.
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dubbs wrote:Jaye wrote:
Your problem appears to be this Kent. You are not capable of seeing the big picture.
You are not capable of grasping the enormity of truth...in all it's forms.
You have never gotten past requiring the milk of the gospel...and have never developed a taste for the meat of the matter.
Perhaps one day you will grow out of this infantile stage, and perhaps then we can carry on a mature conversation.
But until you get over this phase...this is not possible.
Ahhh, there's the arrogance coming out of cliffy, the guy who doesn't believe 95% of the Gospel, but then lectures others (in his long winded diatribes) about how they don't know the gospel
I'll stick with the spirit, and the Prophets for my beliefs Jaye, but thanks.
If your belives are the more enlightened and mature, I wonder why the Prophets and most of the church disagree's with your beliefs? Telling.belives
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Wren (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote: And again, as usual you are not comprehending what I have said, I know it's important, but it is no more important that the book they call the "keystone" of our religion, and the book you can get closer to God than any other book would also seem to be just as important, as would modern day revelations found in the D&C. One no more important than the other
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As Jaye conclusively proved, the LDS leadership disagrees with your assessment. My counsel is to get in line with it.
And my council to you is to KMA.
Pull your head out of your own ass and get in line with the LDS leadership. You are out of step.
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Wren (User)
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dubbs wrote:Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
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But neither me, you, OR the Church can prove that God considers the Book of Mormon to be of higher import than the Bible...and that overrules individual belief.
And you can't prove that it thinks the bible is above any other.
But it says alot when they call one the "keystone" of our religion.
It says more when your apostles call the Bible the foundation of the latter day gospel. A keystone rests on the foundation. Capiche, Guiuseppe?
No, a Keystone rests in a doorway archway, a Cornerstone rests on the foundation dar dar. Nope, Gino, everything (cornerstone, keystone, your boots with you in them) rests on the foundation, the Bible. As Jaye has proven conclusively and without any refutation from you, you are out of step with the LDS leadership. Get in step, podjo.
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Re:LDS Church excommunicates calendar maker 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Wren wrote:Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Russel Ballard clearly indicated that the Bible is directly responsible for motivating young Joseph Smith to walk out to an isolated grove of trees one morning.
Yes, sure it did, but that doesn't say anywhere that any scripture is more important than another, I'm still waiting for this claim.
This indicates to me that the Bible is of utmost importance to the LDS Church.
Utmost as much as the BofM, equal, here's proof from the BofM itself...
The Bible and the Book of Mormon "shall grow together, unto the confounding of false doctrines and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace" (2 Nephi 3:12).
If something grows together, they become equal.
It contains the first witness to salvation through Jesus Christ. And the Book of Mormon is simply another witness to salvation through Jesus Christ.
Simply another witness, to some it's the only witness, and their converstion tool, you downplay it's importance, without it, the LDS faith wouldn't exist.
If both are equal...than the Church's belief that the Book of Mormon is the keystone of the LDS Church is false, and misleading.
It is the keystone because without it, we would be just another church, with it, we have proof of continued revelation, Prophets, etc etc etc, our church would fall without it.
Please notice that Dubbs left out the statement that the Bible is the foundation of Mormonism."LOL"  he did didn't he "LOL"
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