Dubbs wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
The BoM is equal only in your mind, Dubbs. You are not going to find any church publication that says otherwise.



If it is the keystone to our religion, I'd say it's pretty equal.


Even the Book of Mormon itself says it "shall grow together, unto the confounding of false doctrines and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace" (2 Nephi 3:12)

Pretty equal in my mind if it clears up contentions the Bible has caused.
But it's NOT the cornerstone of our religion. Christ is!

I said Keystone dar dar. Read, comprehend.

Not what you originally said. Which leads one to wonder whether your flip-flopping is the result of outright deception...or forgetfulness...or ignorance.

Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs replies, "So again, what does gaslighting mean to you? And how was I gaslighted? // What I showed that if I found an LDS person using LDS computers and time to bash the church, I would turn them in, yes, I would, as would most good LDS people who want to protect the church. // So how was I 'gaslighed again?"

By revealing your rotten character for one, and that you were made a fool of for two.


How is it rotten character protecting my church? I look at that as an honorable person.

Dubbs what you do doesn't protect your Church, it just makes you and your church look bad.....

and by trying to get someone fired from their job for having a different opionion then you!!! there is NOTHING honorable in that......nothing at all....

Don't want to get fired? Don't use company resources and time to bash said company. Espeically my church, I'll turn you in in a heart beat, deal with it.

What ever you say Judas Iscariot....

Interesting isn't it? The teachings found within the gospel indicate that Christ's followers are not to seek ways to put stumbling blocks, or occasions to fall in the paths of their brothers and sisters.

Yet old Kent is just ITCHING to cause trouble, and to do real harm to someone just because he disagrees with him on this forum.

Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:


I used the example in San Diego County as another one, similar to what BY did more than a century earlier, taking from the church monies.


Your logic is faulty, because we are discussing whether the Brethen are mostly honest men, one example of what two church members did who aren't even paid is not an example of anything, no more than Jeffrey Dahmer being a "born again Christian" is proof all of christianity is nuts. Well it does hold true with you.

Jeffrey Dahmer served his time at the Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage, Wisconsin, where he ultimately declared himself a born-again Christian. This conversion occurred after viewing evangelical material sent to him by his father. A local preacher, Roy Ratcliff, met with Dahmer and agreed to baptize him.

A point to remember...simply declaring oneself to be a born again Christian, and fulfilling the ritual ordinance of baptism does not a Christian make.

Dahmer's life was a roadmap of horror, beginning as a child when he dissected animals, and ending with his penchant for abduction, torture, mutilation, rape, dismemberment of his victims, keeping severed heads and penises for souveniers...and finally...cannibalism.

All the self professions and baptisms in the world
could not wash that man clean.

Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs replies, "So again, what does gaslighting mean to you? And how was I gaslighted? // What I showed that if I found an LDS person using LDS computers and time to bash the church, I would turn them in, yes, I would, as would most good LDS people who want to protect the church. // So how was I 'gaslighed again?"

By revealing your rotten character for one, and that you were made a fool of for two.


How is it rotten character protecting my church? I look at that as an honorable person.

Dubbs what you do doesn't protect your Church, it just makes you and your church look bad.....

and by trying to get someone fired from their job for having a different opionion then you!!! there is NOTHING honorable in that......nothing at all....

Don't want to get fired? Don't use company resources and time to bash said company. Espeically my church, I'll turn you in in a heart beat, deal with it.

What ever you say Judas Iscariot....

Interesting isn't it? The teachings found within the gospel indicate that Christ's followers are not to seek ways to put stumbling blocks, or occasions to fall in the paths of their brothers and sisters.

Yet old Kent is just ITCHING to cause trouble, and to do real harm to someone just because he disagrees with him on this forum.

He really gets creepy with this forum....

Dubbs wrote:
Betzz wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
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But neither me, you, OR the Church can prove that God considers the Book of Mormon to be of higher import than the Bible...and that overrules individual belief.



And you can't prove that it thinks the bible is above any other.


But it says alot when they call one the "keystone" of our religion.

It says more when your apostles call the Bible the foundation of the latter day gospel. A keystone rests on the foundation. Capiche, Guiuseppe?

No, a Keystone rests in a doorway archway, a Cornerstone rests on the foundation dar dar.

A keystone can also mean "something on which associated things depend". We are talking philosophy here, not a building.


So the Book of Mormon is something we depend on for our doctrine, same diff, big whoop.

You truly are an idiot. If it is not a big deal (or whoop) why are you harrassing Kitkat over it?

Dubbs wrote:
utocoman wrote:
Did Dubbs ever address the quorum of the 12 holding positions as CEOs, Board members etc. in LDS owned companies as being paid positions?


have proof of this? Besides a lieing apostate anti mormon site?


Didn't thinks so.

He is correct. This is pretty much common knowledge. Quite a few of the General Authorities who have worked for the Church for most of their adult lives have served as CEO's in LDS owned businesses.

Here is a thought to consider...if the LDS Church is on the up and up, and is operating honestly...then it shouldn't have a problem providing the tithe paying members with an accurate report of the Church financial records, just as a legitimate business corporation does when sending reports to investers...and just as other religious denominations have done in providing open access to it's finances to their membership.