Dubss said:

"Someday it will be an everlasting principle, the saints couldn't live it, maybe it was to prepare us for the knowing what will be expected of us in the future, would you give all you had to the church Jaye? Doubt it.

The fact is, it was done away with, so the payment system to Bishops went away with it,

That you cannot grasp this and ask why they did away with the payment system shows you don't understand the concept, nor continuing revelation, course you don't believe that either."

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Well here's a news flash for you Kent.

The Law of Consecration WAS ALREADY an everlasting principle from the moment it was revealed by God through Joseph Smith.

It was explained that God commanded this principle to be enacted and continued until such time as Christ returned to reign.

And, yes...the Saints failed to comply and obey, and this 'everlasting principle' was dully abandoned.

So much for obedience.

Tell me...what makes you think that the current, or future Saints will be any more capable of obeying this law than these very hardy souls were in the 1800's?

You have completely misunderstood and misrepresented the concept of continuing revelation.

It was never meant to give the Church a way to let God's disobedient children off the hook if they just couldn't manage to comply with His commands.

You keep bandying that term around like you know what it means.

Continuing revelation is a concept wherein God continues to communicate His will through Prophets in modern days.

But God explained EXACTLY who He was, and EXACTLY
how He operated. He did this in the opening verses of Section 3 in the D&C.

1. "THE WORKS, AND THE DESIGNS, AND THE PURPOSES OF GOD CANNOT BE FRUST5RATED, NEITHER CAN THEY COME TO NAUGHT."

Really? Well they certainly came to naught regarding the EVERLASTING PRINCIPLE of the Law of Consecration in a scant few months during the leadership of Joseph Smith...and after a scant few years under the leadership of Brigham Young.

2. "FOR GOD DOTH NOT WALK IN CROOKED PATHS, NEITHER DOTH HE TURN TO THE RIGHT HAND, NOR TO THE LEFT, NEITHER DOTH HE VARY FROM THAT WHICH HE HATH SAID, THEREFORE HIS PATHS ARE STRAIGHT AND HIS COURSE IS ONE ETERNAL ROUND."

Really? Well...according to YOU...God changes His mind every time an ETERNAL PRINCIPLE is abandoned, or altered by the LDS Church.

You are guilty of using the concept of continuing revelation as a convenient excuse for disobedience to God, or at least for the very human inability to adhere to God's ETERNAL PRINCIPLES.

Church Doctrine is, indeed, found within the scriptures.

Within Section 42 of the D&C, after revealing His commandments regarding the Law of Consecration, God says this in verses 59 & 60.

'THOU SHALT TAKE THE THINGS WHICH THOU HAST RECEIVED, WHICH HAVE BEEN GIVEN UNTO THEE IN MY SCRIPTURES FOR A LAW, TO BE MY LAW TO GOVERN MY CHURCH;

AND HE THAT DOETH ACCORDING TO THESE THINGS SHALL BE SAVED, AND HE THAT DOETH THEM NOT SHALL BE DAMNED IF HE SO CONTINUE."

So...he that remains constant in obedience to the LAWS of God which were revealed, and which were found in scripture would be saved...while he that does not remain constant in obedience to these laws would be damned.

I wonder...how many of the Saints in the early Church will find themselves damned because they just could not abide by the REVEALED COMMANDMENTS AND LAWS OF GOD found within scripture?

Dubbs wrote:
Never mind, found it on the Tanners website, bunch of lieing blood sucking pigs.

my first thought after reading your statement was "takes one to know one!" I know, I'm bringing myself down to your childish level . . .

Dubbs wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Your problem appears to be this Kent. You are not capable of seeing the big picture.

You are not capable of grasping the enormity of truth...in all it's forms.

You have never gotten past requiring the milk of the gospel...and have never developed a taste for the meat of the matter.

Perhaps one day you will grow out of this infantile stage, and perhaps then we can carry on a mature conversation.

But until you get over this phase...this is not possible.


Ahhh, there's the arrogance coming out of cliffy, the guy who doesn't believe 95% of the Gospel, but then lectures others (in his long winded diatribes) about how they don't know the gospel

I'll stick with the spirit, and the Prophets for my beliefs Jaye, but thanks.

If your beliefs are the more enlightened and mature, I wonder why the Prophets and most of the church disagree's with your beliefs? Telling.

1. You are not capable of seeing the big picture.

2. You have never gotten past requiring the milk of the gospel...and have never developed a taste for the meat of the matter.

3. Perhaps one day you will grow out of this infantile stage, and perhaps then we can carry on a mature conversation.

But until you get over this phase...this is not possible.

Dubss said:

Ahhh, there's the arrogance coming out of cliffy, the guy who doesn't believe 95% of the Gospel, but then lectures others (in his long winded diatribes) about how they don't know the gospel

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4. You have an inaccurate grasp of the gospel, as is indicated by your comments, and your behavior on this forum.

Your elder brother will continue to correct you.


Dubss said:

"I'll stick with the spirit, and the Prophets for my beliefs Jaye, but thanks."

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5. Your comments, and your behavior on this forum are not an indication that you listen to the Prophets, nor are they any kind of indication that you are in contact with any spirit but the spirit of contention.

But never fear...Your elder brother will continue to correct you.

It was said:
"Someday it will be an everlasting principle, the saints couldn't live it, maybe it was to prepare us for the knowing what will be expected of us in the future, would you give all you had to the church Jaye? Doubt it.

Go on Jaye! Wouldn't you pilot a jumbo jet into the World Trade Center? C'mon, just what's wrong with you?

How about your mind? Would you give your mind and continue your mortality locked up in a state hospital, tied to a bed? Go on, Jaye, what's wrong with you?

OK. Time to give "everything" to the church. Tell me, wouldn't one sacrifice their children the way Abraham was told to sacrifice Isaac? Been on the mountain with your eldest child ready to knife him?

Won't give everything to the church? C'mon, what's the matter here!