well maybe. I have know some scanky girls in my time. but they just don't fit the J.S. discription.

help!!!! How do I link My reply. I look like I just came on board!! How do you get the blue boxes around the last coment and then reply?? someone please take pitty on me and fill me in.

Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:

Also what is wrong with the Tanners??? did they do some thing wrong or dishonest???


wow, so you know nothing about the people you get your anti stuff from, but believe it all anyway?

I knew this, but it's funny to see some dar dar actually admit it.

No Dubbs I first posted the Documents from this site:

http://nowscape.com/mormon/hitler_temple_records.htm

but the "link" from the Tanners site had better pictures of it!!

One more thing Dubbs

HOW COME THE LDS RECORDS SHOW THAT EVA BRAUN WAS SEALED TO ADOLF HITLER, BUT THEN THEY SAY ON THE LDS SITE THAT THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF HITLER?????

LOOK FOR YOURSELF

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/AF/individual_record.asp?recid=29508746&lds=0®ion=-1®ionfriendly=&frompage=99


The church said they have no record of hitler being sealed and work done is what I took it to mean.

But Dubbs it had been done!!!!


so says the Tanners and other anti's, does the church say that?

Adolp and Eva are located at familysearch.org. At one time, their temple work was done. That is indisputable. The church records on it have been published.

flip flop, flip flop, flippety-flop


Their genelogy has been done, yes.


Their temple work is not verified by any verfiable source.

"LOL" but Dubbs they have the file # 1903846 so go to Salt Lake and see if they will let you look at that record... "LOL"


The church does not release that information, therefore whoever claims they have it is a liar and a forgerer of false documents. The Tanners are known to do this.

Give one single example that the Tanners have ever forged anything, floppy.

You can't.

However, the LDS church spent more than a century covering up its errors.

Here's verifyable proof the Tanners are liars, and make things up, this can be checked by looking at their book, and the Jof Discourse reference they give.



The Tanners'citation of Brigham Young from their book...

Some of the witnesses of the Book of Mormon, who handled the plates and conversed with the angels of God, were afterwards left to doubt and to disbelieve that they had ever seen an angel. One of the Quorum of the Twelve—a young man full of faith and good works, prayed, and the vision of his mind was opened, and the angel of God came and laid the plates before him, and he saw and handled them, and saw the angel, and conversed with him as he would with one of his friends; but after all this, he was left to doubt, and plunged into apostacy [sic], and has continued to contend against this work. There are hundreds in a similar condition.4

previously noted that the Tanners had only cited the first sentence of the statement, giving the misleading impression that President Young had reference to the eleven official Book of Mormon witnesses, when, in fact, the next sentence explains that he was referring to a member of the Quorum of the Twelve. None of the eleven special witnesses of the Book of Mormon was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve.5

The Tanners now claim that the statement shows that Young felt that "two or more of the [three] witnesses had fallen into disbelief."6 But this ignores other statements by Brigham Young which affirm that the witnesses were always true to their testimonies of the Book of Mormon, even after they left the Church. "Martin Harris declared, before God and angels, that he had seen angels. Did he apostatize? Yes, though he says that the Book of Mormon is true. Oliver Cowdery also left the Church, though he never denied the Book of Mormon, not even in the wickedest days he ever saw."7 Abundant evidence from interviews and personal correspondence shows that David Whitmer staunchly adhered to his testimony of the Book of Mormon and never doubted the reality of the angel and the plates,8 a fact that was acknowledged by early Mormon leaders.9 Brigham's statement does not fit the Eight Witnesses either, since they only saw and handled the plates, while the doubters in question disbelieved "that they had ever seen an angel." This makes the Tanners' claim that Brigham had reference to one of the eleven difficult to sustain.

The Tanners, however, argue that Brigham Young's statement refers to "different cases of apostasy. First he spoke of some of the Book of Mormon witnesses having doubt and disbelief concerning the gold plates from which the Book of Mormon was supposed to be translated and also regarding the angel who showed them the plates. President Young then claimed that a member of the Quorum of the Twelve also had an experience in which 'an angel of God came and laid the plates before him.' "10 Once again, however, the Tanners' explanation does not accurately represent what Brigham Young said. He did not state that some of the Three or Eight Witnesses doubted that they saw or handled the plates, but only speaks of "some" unidentified witnesses of the Book of Mormon who doubted and disbelieved that they had "seen an angel." Moreover, the word "also" is not part of Brigham Young's statement.11 Consequently, the phrase "some of the witnesses" in the first sentence need only include the young member of the Twelve and one other unidentified individual, and not one of the official eleven witnesses, as the Tanners claim. Finally, President Young compares these doubters to unidentified "hundreds of others in a similar condition" of unbelief. Whether intentional or not, by emphasizing only the first sentence of the paragraph, the Tanners do in fact perpetuate a misleading and inaccurate interpretation of Brigham Young's statement, an interpretation which has little or no historical basis.

Girl Raised in the South wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
Lovie wrote:
Joseph Smith, said:
All sins shall be forgiven, except the sin against the Holy Ghost; for Jesus will save all except the sons of perdition. What must a man do to commit the unpardonable sin? He must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened unto him, and know God, and then sin against him. After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him. He has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it. ("The King Follett Sermon," Ensign May 1971)

See sounds like the Big C&E to me. I Love the King Follett Sermon!

oh notice he said SONS of perdition! Not daughters, dose one need to hold the presthood to become a SON of predition???Yeah. Only us men get raunchy enough to get booted permanently.

Girls ARE more beloved on earth and in heaven!!

Bruce R. McConkie said that "sons" is another word for "followers" in the context of Sons of Perdition. . .followers of Satan. (Mormon Doctrine, page 746, Sons of Perdition)Yeah, girls are...you guessed it!

Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Wren wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Dubbs wrote:
Just Reading wrote:

Also what is wrong with the Tanners??? did they do some thing wrong or dishonest???


wow, so you know nothing about the people you get your anti stuff from, but believe it all anyway?

I knew this, but it's funny to see some dar dar actually admit it.

No Dubbs I first posted the Documents from this site:

http://nowscape.com/mormon/hitler_temple_records.htm

but the "link" from the Tanners site had better pictures of it!!

One more thing Dubbs

HOW COME THE LDS RECORDS SHOW THAT EVA BRAUN WAS SEALED TO ADOLF HITLER, BUT THEN THEY SAY ON THE LDS SITE THAT THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF HITLER?????

LOOK FOR YOURSELF

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/AF/individual_record.asp?recid=29508746&lds=0®ion=-1®ionfriendly=&frompage=99


The church said they have no record of hitler being sealed and work done is what I took it to mean.

But Dubbs it had been done!!!!


so says the Tanners and other anti's, does the church say that?

Adolp and Eva are located at familysearch.org. At one time, their temple work was done. That is indisputable. The church records on it have been published.

flip flop, flip flop, flippety-flop


Their genelogy has been done, yes.


Their temple work is not verified by any verfiable source.

"LOL" but Dubbs they have the file # 1903846 so go to Salt Lake and see if they will let you look at that record... "LOL"


The church does not release that information, therefore whoever claims they have it is a liar and a forgerer of false documents. The Tanners are known to do this.

Give one single example that the Tanners have ever forged anything, floppy.

You can't.

However, the LDS church spent more than a century covering up its errors.

Here's verifyable proof the Tanners are liars, and make things up, this can be checked by looking at their book, and the Jof Discourse reference they give.



The Tanners'citation of Brigham Young from their book...

Some of the witnesses of the Book of Mormon, who handled the plates and conversed with the angels of God, were afterwards left to doubt and to disbelieve that they had ever seen an angel. One of the Quorum of the Twelve—a young man full of faith and good works, prayed, and the vision of his mind was opened, and the angel of God came and laid the plates before him, and he saw and handled them, and saw the angel, and conversed with him as he would with one of his friends; but after all this, he was left to doubt, and plunged into apostacy [sic], and has continued to contend against this work. There are hundreds in a similar condition.4

previously noted that the Tanners had only cited the first sentence of the statement, giving the misleading impression that President Young had reference to the eleven official Book of Mormon witnesses, when, in fact, the next sentence explains that he was referring to a member of the Quorum of the Twelve. None of the eleven special witnesses of the Book of Mormon was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve.5

The Tanners now claim that the statement shows that Young felt that "two or more of the [three] witnesses had fallen into disbelief."6 But this ignores other statements by Brigham Young which affirm that the witnesses were always true to their testimonies of the Book of Mormon, even after they left the Church. "Martin Harris declared, before God and angels, that he had seen angels. Did he apostatize? Yes, though he says that the Book of Mormon is true. Oliver Cowdery also left the Church, though he never denied the Book of Mormon, not even in the wickedest days he ever saw."7 Abundant evidence from interviews and personal correspondence shows that David Whitmer staunchly adhered to his testimony of the Book of Mormon and never doubted the reality of the angel and the plates,8 a fact that was acknowledged by early Mormon leaders.9 Brigham's statement does not fit the Eight Witnesses either, since they only saw and handled the plates, while the doubters in question disbelieved "that they had ever seen an angel." This makes the Tanners' claim that Brigham had reference to one of the eleven difficult to sustain.

The Tanners, however, argue that Brigham Young's statement refers to "different cases of apostasy. First he spoke of some of the Book of Mormon witnesses having doubt and disbelief concerning the gold plates from which the Book of Mormon was supposed to be translated and also regarding the angel who showed them the plates. President Young then claimed that a member of the Quorum of the Twelve also had an experience in which 'an angel of God came and laid the plates before him.' "10 Once again, however, the Tanners' explanation does not accurately represent what Brigham Young said. He did not state that some of the Three or Eight Witnesses doubted that they saw or handled the plates, but only speaks of "some" unidentified witnesses of the Book of Mormon who doubted and disbelieved that they had "seen an angel." Moreover, the word "also" is not part of Brigham Young's statement.11 Consequently, the phrase "some of the witnesses" in the first sentence need only include the young member of the Twelve and one other unidentified individual, and not one of the official eleven witnesses, as the Tanners claim. Finally, President Young compares these doubters to unidentified "hundreds of others in a similar condition" of unbelief. Whether intentional or not, by emphasizing only the first sentence of the paragraph, the Tanners do in fact perpetuate a misleading and inaccurate interpretation of Brigham Young's statement, an interpretation which has little or no historical basis.

Thanks for the research effort. Give us a link to the quote above.

Your quote does not state that they are "liars" or "make things up." It does imply they are guilty of poor scholarship in perpetuating "a misleading and inaccurate interpretation of" a BY statement.

You do that all the time, so give us the cite.

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help!!!! How do I link My reply. I look like I just came on board!! How do you get the blue boxes around the last coment and then reply?? someone please take pitty on me and fill me in.It will be my pleasure to take pity (heh, heh, heh, heh) on you, Lovie. OK. Ok. See those little boxes on the bottom right side of this very window you are reading in? The one that says QUOTE, press it. Then your reply is "attached" to the one you were commenting about.
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