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Just Reading wrote:
Hey Dubbs I know you said there must be more to Brother Hardy's excommunication then the newspapers are telling So I thought you should read for yourself what Mr. Hardy had to say:
I know everyone is speculating about my excommunication, and thinking there must be more to the story that I am not telling. Well I am the only one who can ever openly say what went on in the court that day, but I will say this, and say it by swearing on the Bible and everything that is good and holy on this planet: There was NO talk of ANY form of personal transgression AT ALL during my disciplinary council. The "other" charges that Frank Davie casually broke confidence and slyly shared with the Associated Press to create this assumption was simply that I do not honor my priesthood (by not attending church meetings) and do not honor my temple covenants (by choosing to remove the sacred garment.) The entire meeting was about the calendar, and after I spoke, all the questions that were asked by the council ALL had to do with the calendar. Just for the record, my reasons for leaving the church had nothing to do with transgression. Quite frankly, I was sick and tired of the hypocrisy and self-righteousness of the members and I never felt like I was a fit in the "country club." I never felt I could trust LDS people, therefore I decided to leave the fellowship, but I never left my faith. I will say, that since doing this calendar, I have met the best LDS guys ever. These men are top class, and I respect and honor them.
Now the Church did try very hard to try to find a moral transgression by spying on me so they could excommunicate me for that instead of having to embarrass themselves by excommunicating me over the calendar. After initially meeting with me in my home about the calendar, a few weeks later Frank Davie requested to meet with me one-on-one to discuss some "personal matters." I have attached the email correspondence below so you can read just how this unfolded.
After refusing to meet with Mr. Davie several times as he would never tell me what the "personal matter" was, he finally agreed to tell me over the phone. He flat out asked me if I was living with my (female) coworker, and if we were having sex!!!! I was speechless. Not only do I not live with her, the closest we have ever come to sex is when she has shared her sex life with me. We are really good friends, and that is about it. I asked him where he got this information, and he said he could not share that with me, just simply that it had been brought to his attention. I work out of my home, and she comes and goes from my house all the time, so I could only imagine they had been spying on me, especially when he would not share the source. He went on to ask me if I had been involved in any inappropriate relations with anyone of the opposite sex. He was digging, and it was obvious. This was the third time I have been falsely accused of erroneous transgressions, and then of course being denied to know the source of the inaccurate information. That is why, when I received my summons for a disciplinary court, I went to the press. The back story has never been published, which has in turn created much speculation.
Before my court started, I met with Mr. Davie in his office where he went over the proceedings of the court so I would know what to expect. Once again he asked me if I had been involved with my coworker and brought up a myspace message that I had written to her about being my hot sexy mama, or something flirtatious like that. So they were looking at my myspace friends to see what kind of comments I was leaving??!!! He also then asked me once again if I had any inappropriate relations with anyone else of the opposite sex. I then honestly and accurately answered. This was NEVER brought up in the council. Not even a hint of it. It was simply the two things I mentioned above, and the "inappropriate project" (AKA the Calendar) that I was involved in
Here is email correspondence as it unfolded over the past several weeks:
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From: Frank Davie
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:00 PM
To: Chad@
Subject: Missionary Calendars?
Brother Hardy,
Bishop Olds and I appreciated the opportunity we had to come to your home last April 15.
As you may recall, we discussed with you the publishing of the returned missionary calendar.
During our visit, I mentioned to you that the calendar was inappropriate and asked that you give careful consideration to terminate its publication. It simply does not represent the Church or Church missionaries in the right way.
You shared with Bishop and I that you would discuss this with your work partner.
I would welcome an opportunity to come to your home again or you may wish to visit with me otherwise to further discuss your decision.
Please give me a call at XXX-XXXX or answer to this email.
I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Thank you,
President Davie
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Chad Hardy wrote:
Hi President Davie,
The Men on a Mission Calendar is owned by CMH Entertainment, LLC. I am not full owner of this company. This company is backed by financial investors that are invested in the publication and distribution of the calendars and other products it produces. The 2008 Men on a Mission Calendar was one of the top 10 best selling model calendars in the 2007 season. Its success is being followed up by the 2009 Calendar which has already been guaranteed distribution across the US for the 2008 buying season.
We are standing behind the project, its message and philanthropic purposes. Though we understand not everyone agrees with the project, the individual expressions of those involved have reshaped perceptions, removed walls, and shown an outpour of acceptance and tolerance around the world. Everyone involved has experienced the positive ripple effect of what this project has created. This project in no way is meant to demean, disrespect or misrepresent the LDS church fundamental beliefs. The project is based on individual models who at one time in their life served a full-time service mission. It was their choice to appear in the calendar and share their personal experiences and stories.
I understand and appreciate your personal concerns and thank you for your understanding of my decision to stand behind my project and business venture.
Best,
CHAD
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From: Frank Davie
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:24 AM
To: Chad Hardy
Subject: Re: Missionary Calendars?
Dear Brother Hardy,
Thank you for your response and explanation of why you are maintaining this calendar project.
I still need to visit with you one-on-one, regarding you personally of which I do not wish to share via email or over the phone. It is important that you and I have some time together.
I am available this Sunday, June after 9:00a, at the conclusion of early morning meetings.
Please give me a call as soon as possible as I will be looking forward to meeting with you.
You may call me directly at XXX-XXXX.
Thank you,
President Davie
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Chad Hardy wrote:
I appreciate your consideration; however your intentions at this point are unclear. I do not feel there is anything more I need to discuss. If you can clarify your intentions, or the purpose for wanting to meet with me, I will consider a meeting.
Thank you for the understanding.
Best,
CHAD HARDY
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Frank Davie wrote:
Brother Hardy,
Please give me a call and I will be pleased to discuss this matter with you, so as to clarify my reason for wanting to meet with you in person.
Thank you,
President Davie
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From: Frank Davie
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:54 AM
To: Chad Hardy
Subject: Re: Missionary Calendars?
Brother Hardy,
I would like to hear from you as soon as possible.
Time is moving along and we need to visit with each other even by phone.
Please give me a call at XXX-XXXX.
President Davie
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Chad Hardy wrote:
I have tried to call you a couple times and got no answer. What is the urgency?
Best,
CHAD
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From: Frank Davie
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:21 AM
To: Chad Hardy
Subject: Re: Missionary Calendars?
Brother Hardy,
I am on vacation and will be returning to the US, June 27.
For some reason, I have not received any of your calls or voice messages but that is OK as I still want to visit with you in person for what we need to talk about.
I again would be pleased to come to your home or you can meet me at the stake president's office. When I return, I will look forward to setting an appt. with you.
Sorry you keep you wondering what this is all about, however, it needs to be talked about between the two of us as it is quite personal.
Thank you,
President Davie
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I THEN SPOKE TO MR. DAVIE ON THE PHONE AS OUTLINED ABOVE AND THEN RESPONDED WITH THIS EMAIL:
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On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Chad Hardy wrote:
Hi President Davie,
I have been giving it some thought, and I no longer see a value or purpose to speaking with you anymore in regards to my personal life or my business affairs. I appreciate you taking false accusations and misinformation to the source and hope you are satisfied with the correct information.
Regards,
Chad Hardy
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From: Frank Davie
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:56 AM
To: Chad Hardy
Subject: Re: Further Contact
Dear Brother Hardy,
I had hoped that from our conversation yesterday, previous emails and with our visit to your home, that we would be able to continue meeting with each other and that I might have the opportunity to work with you.
It is apparent that you have chosen the path that you have.
You have broken your priesthood and temple covenants and engaged yourself in a project that is considered inappropriate.
As you would hopefully understand, this is all considered as 'conduct unbecoming of a member of the Church'.
In the near future, I will have two elders deliver to your home or sent to you by registered mail, a Notice of a Church Disciplinary Council to be held in your behalf. The date and time will be indicated in the notice.
Again, I had hoped that we would have further conversation, that I might help you to come to an understanding of your Church responsibilities. Since you have chosen not to meet with me any further, I have the responsibility to take this action in your behalf.
I thank you for sharing all that you have thus far. It is my intent to do all that I can to help you and will look forward to any opportunity to do so, should you change your mind.
Please give me a call if you wish to do so.
Sincerely,
Frank Davie
Stake President
Warm Springs Stake
One things clear from this bozo, he's a smary smart ass that shows no respect for the church, those emails of his show he has a disrespect for the church leaders, arguing over even meeting with them.
I'd trust his side of the story about as far as I could throw Bigdaddy's 400 lb's across a room.
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