"I could not agree more with Dean Hawker. I am a lifelong Republican who works every election to see our people elected. But this year I will not support Jason Chaffetz.

I'm voting for Bennion Spencer."

"Mrs Nelson, I was a devoted Republican for more than 40 years up to 2008 when I changed to being a Democrat.

I am also voting for Democrat Bennion Spencer.

Dean Hawker is a person that warrants respect for his judgement."


Somehow, I'm having a difficult time believing either one of you has been a lifelong Republican. It's difficult for me to conceive that someone who has been against abortion, judicial activism, big government, and for fiscal conservatism, etc., all their lives, could just switch on a whim.

The man you seem focused on supporting seemed to do so--by all reports he was Republican his whole life until George Bush persuaded him that it doesn't matter what party he should run from, just go in and take the most straightforward path to "winning." At least that's how I understand the advice to switch to the other party.

But regardless of whether I believe you all are lifelong party members or not, I still don't get why you would vote against Chaffetz. IF you really like the principles of the Republican party (yes, they DO have them, whether or not they live by them or not), it seems to me that Chaffetz is 100% in line with them--all those that I mentioned above and more.

So why the switch? Since you don't tell me, I have to conclude that you aren't the lifelong, die-hard Republicans that you claim to be...

Jeremy:

Somehow, I'm having a difficult time believing either one of you has been a lifelong Republican. It's difficult for me to conceive that someone who has been against abortion, judicial activism, big government, and for fiscal conservatism, etc., all their lives, could just switch on a whim.

Not all democrats believe in abortion. Matheson is a good example. Bennion is not Matheson.

Your point about Judicial activism and big government and for fiscal conservatism, I agree are good things to discuss.

Jason has identified four core conservative values which guide his policy positions. They are:

* Fiscal Discipline
* Limited Government
* Accountability
* Strong National Security

Why don't we give Spencer a chance before we decide what he will and will not do. As a Democrat, Rep. Matheson has represented Utah quite well. He even voted with Rep. Bishop, a Republican, against the bailout bill. We need people who are moderate and level-headed. My impression of Chaffetz is that he only represents the radical element of Utah County. Someday, Utah County residents will figure out that a (D) or an (R) by a politicians name is meaningless. Voters can completely control what our representatives do in Washington. It is easy. When election day comes around, look at the voting record of our elected leaders. If you agree with their decisions, send them back to Washington, otherwise you fire them by voting for someone else. Our elected leaders would learn very quickly to represent their constituents. Unfortunately, the voting attitude in Utah County is one based on two letters in the alphabet: an "R" and a "D". Why should our elected Republican leaders do what the voters want when they know they will win an election every time? We as voters in Utah county have done nothing to empower ourselves, but have instead empowered the very leaders that represent us by our ignorance of the democratic process and the agenda-driven pursuit of power by a few individuals and special interests.

Whenever conservative Utah voters disagree with the liberal agenda, we are described as "sheep". It is much easier to ignore and dismiss genuine human ideas, aspirations and beliefs if these beliefs can be ascribed to mindless beasts. That way, conservative ideas and beliefs themselves don't have to be addressed, a much more difficult prospect for liberals.

In truth, the responsible conservative voter will require the candidate both to commit to conservative principles (be a Republican) and to actively promote and vote for conservative principles (performance in office). When performance doesn't match up with alleged commitment, a replacement candidate, someone who will perform, is chosen.

This is how Jason Chaffetz, truly committed and a known performer, became the Republican nominee for Congress. It is now up to the citizens of the 3rd District to choose the candidate that best represents their set of ideals and beliefs. As for me and my house, this ram is voting for Chaffetz.

utocoman wrote:
megus wrote:
This thread discusses the Content article: GOP leader endorses Spencer over Chaffetz

The interesting thing is, that we all want the same things for our country. The difference is that we have seen that Democratic ways fail.

If we look at the cities with the most poverty, unemployment, crime, and debt, we find they are controlled by Democrats. If we look at the cities with the least poverty, unemployment, crime, and debt, we find they are controlled by Republicans. Same things with states.

That should show people something. But it doesn't. Those who think they are helping by voting in democrats should think again.

Please provide proof of your writings or are they in fact opinions with no basis in fact? Says like a bit that someone deeply entrenched/schooled in politics and the head of the GOP would endorse a Democrat. Or perhaps you are the more educated? Ha ha ha


In August, Michigan and Rhode Island posted the highest
jobless rates, 8.9 and 8.5 percent, respectively. Six
additional states recorded rates of more than 7.0 percent:
California and Mississippi,7.7 percent each; South Carolina,
7.6 percent; Ohio, 7.4 percent;Illinois, 7.3 percent; and
Nevada, 7.1 percent.

South Dakota again logged the lowest unemployment rate, 3.3
percent, followed by Nebraska at 3.5 percent, North Dakota
at 3.6 percent, Utah at 3.7 percent, and Wyoming at 3.9
percent.

Let's look at their legislatures;
South Dakota
House 50 Republicans 20 Democrats
Senate 20 Republicans 15 Democrats
Nebraska
31 Republicans, 15 Democrats, and 3 Independents

North Dakota
House 61 Republicans 33 Democrats
Senate 26 Republicans 21 Democrats
Utah
House 56 Republicans 19 Democrats
Senate 21 Republicans 8 Democrats
Wyoming
House 43 Republicans 17 Democrats
Senate 23 Republicans 7 Democrats

So, the top 5 states with low unemployment figures are heavily controlled by Republicans.

So, let's look at the highest unemployment states.

Michigan
House 52 Republicans 58 Democrats
Senate 21 Republicans 17 Democrats

Rhode Island
House 13 Republicans 60 Democrats
Senate 5 Republicans 33 Democrats

California
House 25 Republicans 43 Democrats
Senate 32 Republicans 48 Democrats
Mississippi
House 46 Republicans 73 Democrats
Senate 25 Republicans 27 Democrats

South Carolina
House 73 Republicans 51 Democrats
Senate 23 Republicans 7 Democrats

Now, Michigan is affected a lot by the rest of the country, and South Carolina has now switched to a Republican control, but it should be noted that the Democrats controlled South Carolina Politics from 1878 all the way until 2000. It will take a while to get over some of those policies that are in place there.

And this is just unemployment. Go look at some other factors as well and see which policies produce what results.

Not rhetoric, but results!

MEgus

megus wrote:
utocoman wrote:
megus wrote:
This thread discusses the Content article: GOP leader endorses Spencer over Chaffetz

The interesting thing is, that we all want the same things for our country. The difference is that we have seen that Democratic ways fail.

If we look at the cities with the most poverty, unemployment, crime, and debt, we find they are controlled by Democrats. If we look at the cities with the least poverty, unemployment, crime, and debt, we find they are controlled by Republicans. Same things with states.

That should show people something. But it doesn't. Those who think they are helping by voting in democrats should think again.

Please provide proof of your writings or are they in fact opinions with no basis in fact? Says like a bit that someone deeply entrenched/schooled in politics and the head of the GOP would endorse a Democrat. Or perhaps you are the more educated? Ha ha ha


In August, Michigan and Rhode Island posted the highest
jobless rates, 8.9 and 8.5 percent, respectively. Six
additional states recorded rates of more than 7.0 percent:
California and Mississippi,7.7 percent each; South Carolina,
7.6 percent; Ohio, 7.4 percent;Illinois, 7.3 percent; and
Nevada, 7.1 percent.

South Dakota again logged the lowest unemployment rate, 3.3
percent, followed by Nebraska at 3.5 percent, North Dakota
at 3.6 percent, Utah at 3.7 percent, and Wyoming at 3.9
percent.

Let's look at their legislatures;
South Dakota
House 50 Republicans 20 Democrats
Senate 20 Republicans 15 Democrats
Nebraska
31 Republicans, 15 Democrats, and 3 Independents

North Dakota
House 61 Republicans 33 Democrats
Senate 26 Republicans 21 Democrats
Utah
House 56 Republicans 19 Democrats
Senate 21 Republicans 8 Democrats
Wyoming
House 43 Republicans 17 Democrats
Senate 23 Republicans 7 Democrats

So, the top 5 states with low unemployment figures are heavily controlled by Republicans.

So, let's look at the highest unemployment states.

Michigan
House 52 Republicans 58 Democrats
Senate 21 Republicans 17 Democrats

Rhode Island
House 13 Republicans 60 Democrats
Senate 5 Republicans 33 Democrats

California
House 25 Republicans 43 Democrats
Senate 32 Republicans 48 Democrats
Mississippi
House 46 Republicans 73 Democrats
Senate 25 Republicans 27 Democrats

South Carolina
House 73 Republicans 51 Democrats
Senate 23 Republicans 7 Democrats

Now, Michigan is affected a lot by the rest of the country, and South Carolina has now switched to a Republican control, but it should be noted that the Democrats controlled South Carolina Politics from 1878 all the way until 2000. It will take a while to get over some of those policies that are in place there.

And this is just unemployment. Go look at some other factors as well and see which policies produce what results.

Not rhetoric, but results!

MEgus

Are you ignorant of the facts or being purposely deceptive? The popualtion on ND and SD is about 500,000 each. Nebraska is not far off, Wyoming is no thriving metropolis either. Do you think that maybe that has a larger impact than how many Repugs and Democrats are in the legislature? I swear, if you want to make an intelligent argument start with intelligence!!

There are supporters of both sides that are much more restrictive re: immigration than Jason Chaffetz is.

Jason is more a voice of reason compared to:

There are people that want to round up all 12 million illegals, and are mad that Jason DOESN'T want to do that. Jason only wanted facilities where the government wouldn't have to catch and release felons. There are 600,000 they have let go. We wouldn't have to build facilities for that many, as we just need a temporary facility for convicted criminals, to be held prior to deportation.

There are people that don't want anyone new moving in, where Jason wants to fix LEGAL immigration so it doesn't take so long to legally come here.

There are people that think providing any temporary worker visa is wrong, where Jason agrees it is a great way to bring people out of the shadows, get rid of the fake IDs, but this in NO WAY provides a pathway to citizenship in front of those wanting to immigrate who have followed the rules.

Those that are blasting Jason Chaffetz, should not be, as he is a voice of reason and is not promoting the ideas he is accused of.