gopherus wrote:

crossroad wrote:

ericmiami wrote:

crossroad wrote:

How about including some religious diversity lessons in the lesson manuals for the youth?

chills) I always get leary when I here about proposed "diversity" indoctrination classes. I think most LDS people are probably just living their lives and trying to suvive on an average of 28k per year with huge families to support. give'em a break!

So you are anti-family, crossroad?


Not at all. But I am Anti- 28k per year for families to try and live on.


Are you actually trying to engage in discussion Eric? Rather than useless blathering and one liners?


I'm anti-huge families that were not formed in part by adoption, but I'll support you on your anti-poverty crusade should you wish to go. Might want to engage the Republican party in this one, they seem the most interested in keeping families in poverty and witholding affordable health care for them (perhaps including some birth control info for the next generation).


No , I think I will address the democrats on the poverty issue. A family might actually be able to live on 28k per year if it wasn't for overtaxation to support worthless government programs as well as massive Gov spending to drive up inflation. Also massive taxation and import tariffs on small business so they cannot afford to pay healthcare for their employees.

I will start there.

crossroad wrote:

gopherus wrote:

crossroad wrote:

ericmiami wrote:

crossroad wrote:

How about including some religious diversity lessons in the lesson manuals for the youth?

chills) I always get leary when I here about proposed "diversity" indoctrination classes. I think most LDS people are probably just living their lives and trying to suvive on an average of 28k per year with huge families to support. give'em a break!

So you are anti-family, crossroad?


Not at all. But I am Anti- 28k per year for families to try and live on.


Are you actually trying to engage in discussion Eric? Rather than useless blathering and one liners?


I'm anti-huge families that were not formed in part by adoption, but I'll support you on your anti-poverty crusade should you wish to go. Might want to engage the Republican party in this one, they seem the most interested in keeping families in poverty and witholding affordable health care for them (perhaps including some birth control info for the next generation).


No , I think I will address the democrats on the poverty issue. A family might actually be able to live on 28k per year if it wasn't for overtaxation to support worthless government programs as well as massive Gov spending to drive up inflation. Also massive taxation and import tariffs on small business so they cannot afford to pay healthcare for their employees.

I will start there.

How about ending it there? Why don't you go fix your leaky toilet or put new batteries in the talking bass on your wall?

You've got to remember that in any religion there are those people that do not "Live their religion". That is every where you go. When I lived in Virginia, I was treated badly by a Baptist. When I lived in Washington State I was ridiculed for being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints by a Seventh Day Adventist.

But I know all people aren't like this. I have some friends that are Baptist that are really cool, I have friends that are Catholic, that do live what they believe. As members of the Church we need to remember to live as we believe, and be friendly to those who are not memebers. But it needs to work the same both ways, not just one way.

crossroad wrote:

gopherus wrote:

crossroad wrote:

ericmiami wrote:

crossroad wrote:

How about including some religious diversity lessons in the lesson manuals for the youth?

chills) I always get leary when I here about proposed "diversity" indoctrination classes. I think most LDS people are probably just living their lives and trying to suvive on an average of 28k per year with huge families to support. give'em a break!

So you are anti-family, crossroad?


Not at all. But I am Anti- 28k per year for families to try and live on.


Are you actually trying to engage in discussion Eric? Rather than useless blathering and one liners?


I'm anti-huge families that were not formed in part by adoption, but I'll support you on your anti-poverty crusade should you wish to go. Might want to engage the Republican party in this one, they seem the most interested in keeping families in poverty and witholding affordable health care for them (perhaps including some birth control info for the next generation).


No , I think I will address the democrats on the poverty issue. A family might actually be able to live on 28k per year if it wasn't for overtaxation to support worthless government programs as well as massive Gov spending to drive up inflation. Also massive taxation and import tariffs on small business so they cannot afford to pay healthcare for their employees.

I will start there.


I think you've forgotten who the spenders are. Talk to mister 1 veto. You might wish to address the huge tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and the war in Iraq. If you are worried about inflation you might want to look at the same issues and the monstrous national debt that has resulted from those coinciding but counteractive policies. You might also wish to deal with those who've failed to lower prescription drug prices through price controls or an even more simple method, a ban on television marketing that eats up more money than research. I think you'll find that your boys are responsible for more than their share of the poverty issue. Good thing is they know they can keep you there and still get your vote by playing the fear card and the God card, thought they don't really believe in either.

As much as this might strike the evangelical among us (those who feel that they must share their religion with others ... not just evangelical Christians) as odd, showing other faiths tolerance is quite simple. If your faith isn't the yardstick by which you judge everyone around you, tolerance is never an issue.

I find it easy to associate both with people of faith and with people who have none, mostly because I don't associate with people who judge based on which churchhouse I go to.

It is easy to get along with people of all faiths, as long as those people aren't busy telling me what I'm missing by not joining their particular club.

True tolerance includes accepting that someone else may not believe what you do. The more we practice this tolerance, the more civil our society will be, and we may be able to move past the constant sectarian bickering that is so often found here.

Tori wrote:

It begins in Sunbeams. Unfortunately, the children are taught at a very young age that by being Mormon, they are right and everybody else is wrong. The Church their family belongs to is the ONLY TRUE church, all of the others are false. They stand up at the pulpit at 4 yrs. of age and everybody thinks it's so cute as their mother whispers in their ear their testimony they are suppose to say where they proclaim that they "know the church is true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, that Pres. Hinckley is a prophet today", etc, etc. It's a subtle but it's a form of brainwashing teaching elitism at a very young age.


A person can believe that their religion is right/they belong to the only true church without looking down their noses at others. We all have to be careful. I know many fine people of faith (LDS and otherwise) who do not agree with other faiths, but who show respect (recognizing the good they see in other faiths and allowing others to choose to worship God as they see fit).