Okay, I'll try.

gopherus wrote:

crossroad wrote:

ericmiami wrote:

crossroad wrote:

How about including some religious diversity lessons in the lesson manuals for the youth?

chills) I always get leary when I here about proposed "diversity" indoctrination classes. I think most LDS people are probably just living their lives and trying to suvive on an average of 28k per year with huge families to support. give'em a break!

So you are anti-family, crossroad?


Not at all. But I am Anti- 28k per year for families to try and live on.


Are you actually trying to engage in discussion Eric? Rather than useless blathering and one liners?


I'm anti-huge families that were not formed in part by adoption, but I'll support you on your anti-poverty crusade should you wish to go. Might want to engage the Republican party in this one, they seem the most interested in keeping families in poverty and witholding affordable health care for them (perhaps including some birth control info for the next generation).


Remember Gandhi was unable to put down what makes large families. With that said, adaption in my mind is one of the ultimate gifts known to the human race.

Jarek wrote:

Tori wrote:

It begins in Sunbeams. Unfortunately, the children are taught at a very young age that by being Mormon, they are right and everybody else is wrong. The Church their family belongs to is the ONLY TRUE church, all of the others are false. They stand up at the pulpit at 4 yrs. of age and everybody thinks it's so cute as their mother whispers in their ear their testimony they are suppose to say where they proclaim that they "know the church is true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, that Pres. Hinckley is a prophet today", etc, etc. It's a subtle but it's a form of brainwashing teaching elitism at a very young age.


I'm really sorry you feel that way.


Sorry? Do you really feel sorry FOR me? Seriously, you don't need to feel sorry. Although, I don't believe that is what you meant. More like, "I'm sorry, but you are wrong". It is OK, for you to feel that way as it is OK for me to feel the way I do. The things I posted are from MY experience and MY perception. That's all.

Vlad Tepes wrote:

Tori wrote:

It begins in Sunbeams. Unfortunately, the children are taught at a very young age that by being Mormon, they are right and everybody else is wrong. The Church their family belongs to is the ONLY TRUE church, all of the others are false. They stand up at the pulpit at 4 yrs. of age and everybody thinks it's so cute as their mother whispers in their ear their testimony they are suppose to say where they proclaim that they "know the church is true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, that Pres. Hinckley is a prophet today", etc, etc. It's a subtle but it's a form of brainwashing teaching elitism at a very young age.


A person can believe that their religion is right/they belong to the only true church without looking down their noses at others. We all have to be careful. I know many fine people of faith (LDS and otherwise) who do not agree with other faiths, but who show respect (recognizing the good they see in other faiths and allowing others to choose to worship God as they see fit).


In theory I think this is correct. Call me nit-picky, but I think there might be a smidgen of a difference between "tolerance" and "respect." In that perfect world, wouldn't we like to see each of us "respect" one another, rather than just "tolerate?"

I can try to tolerate my son's rap music, but I'm quite certain I will never respect (most of) it. But I do respect my Mormon, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian, Native American, and Hindu friends. I would like to become acquainted with some mainstream Muslims, as I understand that they have a similar belief to most other world religions, contrary to what we see in the media. I REALLY DO respect their beliefs and lifestyle...and don't feel the need to change them or be changed BY them. I think that is a key component of true "respect."

I believe that it takes concerted effort to get outside of one's comfort zone and interact with "different" people...a challenge at first, but the rewards are an increased amount of love for humanity.

Tori wrote:

It begins in Sunbeams. Unfortunately, the children are taught at a very young age that by being Mormon, they are right and everybody else is wrong. The Church their family belongs to is the ONLY TRUE church, all of the others are false. They stand up at the pulpit at 4 yrs. of age and everybody thinks it's so cute as their mother whispers in their ear their testimony they are suppose to say where they proclaim that they "know the church is true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, that Pres. Hinckley is a prophet today", etc, etc. It's a subtle but it's a form of brainwashing teaching elitism at a very young age.

And the Bible says: "Train up a child in the way that he should go and he will never depart from it."

Would you have it otherwise, Tori?

gopherus wrote:

crossroad wrote:

gopherus wrote:

crossroad wrote:

ericmiami wrote:

crossroad wrote:

How about including some religious diversity lessons in the lesson manuals for the youth?

chills) I always get leary when I here about proposed "diversity" indoctrination classes. I think most LDS people are probably just living their lives and trying to suvive on an average of 28k per year with huge families to support. give'em a break!

So you are anti-family, crossroad?


Not at all. But I am Anti- 28k per year for families to try and live on.

Are you actually trying to engage in discussion Eric? Rather than useless blathering and one liners?


I'm anti-huge families that were not formed in part by adoption, but I'll support you on your anti-poverty crusade should you wish to go. Might want to engage the Republican party in this one, they seem the most interested in keeping families in poverty and witholding affordable health care for them (perhaps including some birth control info for the next generation).

No , I think I will address the democrats on the poverty issue. A family might actually be able to live on 28k per year if it wasn't for overtaxation to support worthless government programs as well as massive Gov spending to drive up inflation. Also massive taxation and import tariffs on small business so they cannot afford to pay healthcare for their employees.

I will start there.

I think you've forgotten who the spenders are. Talk to mister 1 veto. You might wish to address the huge tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and the war in Iraq. If you are worried about inflation you might want to look at the same issues and the monstrous national debt that has resulted from those coinciding but counteractive policies. You might also wish to deal with those who've failed to lower prescription drug prices through price controls or an even more simple method, a ban on television marketing that eats up more money than research. I think you'll find that your boys are responsible for more than their share of the poverty issue. Good thing is they know they can keep you there and still get your vote by playing the fear card and the God card, thought they don't really believe in either.

Crossroad, you might want to try Communism which is what gopherus is suggesting.