tfarrell wrote:
fefifofob wrote:
You haven't even made an argument that same sex marriage is a right.
I've made many: go back and review this discussion.I went back over the last few dozen posts you've made and searched for the word 'right.' The only argument I can find that you've made that it's a right is that 'anything not illegal is a right.' Well, same sex marriage is illegal here in Utah. So, according to your definition, it's not a right. If there is another argument you've made it has either been so long ago that I can't find it or else the word 'right' wasn't being used in the post to describe why you think this is a right.
In either case, can you simply type up a short summary again or give me a link to the place where you've made this argument
? When I ask for some evidence that gays are pure, honest, virtuous and upstanding members of society, the subject gets changed. Why would this be?
I believe it was you who mentioned gay role models the other day. I provided a list, all of whom I believe to be honest, virtuous, and upstanding members of society. (I can't guess at your definition of "pure" so I won't argue that point.) These are all people that gay and lesbian Americans look up to, and I provided just a short list without giving it a whole lot of thought. If we're such cretins, why is it Joseph Stephan and Greta Cammermeyer that we choose to want to be more like, instead of some porn star?I've never heard before that homosexuals look up to Joseph Stephan and Greta Cammermeyer. When I did a google search for "Joseph Stephan" "role model" and "Greta Cammermeyer" "role model", I got a 3 government web pages and 1 school web page. When I did a google search for "Joseph Stephan is" and "Greta Cammermeyer is", I got pretty much the same pages. I would think that someone in their personal web page or blog would mention something using a phrase like these.
Here's another piece of evidence that same sex marriage causes increased infidelity. In one of the scandinavian countries which has legalized same sex marriage, illegitimate births have been increasing by 2 percent per year since it was legalized. It's now 20% greater than it was. Is it 'proof?' No, it's just evidence. Maybe it was because of global warming and the link between illegitimacy and same sex marriage is meaningless.
Oh, yawn. Correlation does not imply causation, you should have learned that in 7th grade science class. The rate of illegitimate births was rising in scandanavia before the advent of gay couples marrying, it has continued rising at the same rate afterward, gay couples marrying neither slowed nor sped the trend.I agree, it isn't causation. But the increase does say something directly about a breakdown in values.
Now it's time to remove half of my post and only comment on the parts you don't want everyone to ignore or else pull one sentence out of context and get righteously indignant about it.
If I just keep quoting everything you say, the messages get long and unweildly. It's generally considered bad manners on the Internet not to trim down the original source message to show only as much as is necessary to indicate what you are commenting about.
It was beginning to look as if you were editorializing my posts. If you have done this without attempting to prejudice what I am saying, then I'm OK with that.
