Dizneyfreek wrote:

gopherus wrote:

Dizneyfreek wrote:


How is it positive to have to explain to a young child that Jimmy has two mommies? That is confusing to a kid when he has one mommy and one daddy.


Do you have kids Diz. Because I've found parenting to be a barrage of confusing questions. Of course many of them have to do with science (thankfully I am a scientist, but sometimes the questions aren't based in reality). There are many more questions like those you've suggested above:
Mommy, why does everyone else have a daddy and I don't? (because your daddy died in Iraq)
Daddy, why do other kids have mommies at home and daddies that work when mommy works and you stay at home?
Mommy, why does daddy work all the time instead of staying home and playing with me?
Mommy, how come the neighbors have a new car and we drive a 15 seat van build in 1975?
Mommy, where does are garbage go and why do we make so much of it?
Mommy, when are you going to die, what about daddy, what about me?
Mommy, I don't want to die, why do I have to?
Mommy, why are those guys shooting each other on the news?
Mommy, why did Jimmy call Tommy a ? Whats a ? Why did he hit him?
Mommy, why did Jimmy call me a Moron, I said I was a Mormon?
Mommy, why did Tommy say Jimmy was going to hell because he's not part of the Church?
Mommy, why does my biology book say we evolved from a common ancestor with the chimp when my Bishop says we didn't?
I could probably go on for days, but I'll just wait for my child to come up with them and take them one at a time.


I have four! Kids ask stupid questions, many were indicated above. However, the issue of homosexuality is far different than a kid being mean on the playground or a teacher talking about the THEORY of evolution.


You may view them as different, but some don't. I think that homosexuality is pretty easy to explain. It would not be easy for me to explain the Bishop's lack of understanding of evolution and his 'crazy' beliefs without using words like stupid that I refuse to use when talking to my child. We all have things that are tougher (for us) to explain to children than other things. For me religion is such an issue. There are many things about religion that will be easy to explain (e.g. why is tolerance important between religions? what does this or that religion believe?), but the why questions will be tough (e.g. why do those people believe that? why would someone believe something that is so obviously not true? why do some many religions believe in the same God and still not get along?). Homosexuality is pretty easy to explain next to murder, war, child abuse, and rape; even though many of these have simple biological explanations. Why are these hard? I find them difficult because they reflect the bad side of people, they show that we are hateful and violent, they show that behaviors with a biological root are more than biology and sometimes effect individuals and society in horrific ways. I'm not willing to offer an older child the simplistic explanations that are so commonly given, so I'll have to struggle with these. I'll take the 2 mommies question any day.

gopherus wrote:

Dizneyfreek wrote:

gopherus wrote:

Dizneyfreek wrote:


How is it positive to have to explain to a young child that Jimmy has two mommies? That is confusing to a kid when he has one mommy and one daddy.


Do you have kids Diz. Because I've found parenting to be a barrage of confusing questions. Of course many of them have to do with science (thankfully I am a scientist, but sometimes the questions aren't based in reality). There are many more questions like those you've suggested above:
Mommy, why does everyone else have a daddy and I don't? (because your daddy died in Iraq)
Daddy, why do other kids have mommies at home and daddies that work when mommy works and you stay at home?
Mommy, why does daddy work all the time instead of staying home and playing with me?
Mommy, how come the neighbors have a new car and we drive a 15 seat van build in 1975?
Mommy, where does are garbage go and why do we make so much of it?
Mommy, when are you going to die, what about daddy, what about me?
Mommy, I don't want to die, why do I have to?
Mommy, why are those guys shooting each other on the news?
Mommy, why did Jimmy call Tommy a ? Whats a ? Why did he hit him?
Mommy, why did Jimmy call me a Moron, I said I was a Mormon?
Mommy, why did Tommy say Jimmy was going to hell because he's not part of the Church?
Mommy, why does my biology book say we evolved from a common ancestor with the chimp when my Bishop says we didn't?
I could probably go on for days, but I'll just wait for my child to come up with them and take them one at a time.


I have four! Kids ask stupid questions, many were indicated above. However, the issue of homosexuality is far different than a kid being mean on the playground or a teacher talking about the THEORY of evolution.


You may view them as different, but some don't. I think that homosexuality is pretty easy to explain. It would not be easy for me to explain the Bishop's lack of understanding of evolution and his 'crazy' beliefs without using words like stupid that I refuse to use when talking to my child. We all have things that are tougher (for us) to explain to children than other things. For me religion is such an issue. There are many things about religion that will be easy to explain (e.g. why is tolerance important between religions? what does this or that religion believe?), but the why questions will be tough (e.g. why do those people believe that? why would someone believe something that is so obviously not true? why do some many religions believe in the same God and still not get along?). Homosexuality is pretty easy to explain next to murder, war, child abuse, and rape; even though many of these have simple biological explanations. Why are these hard? I find them difficult because they reflect the bad side of people, they show that we are hateful and violent, they show that behaviors with a biological root are more than biology and sometimes effect individuals and society in horrific ways. I'm not willing to offer an older child the simplistic explanations that are so commonly given, so I'll have to struggle with these. I'll take the 2 mommies question any day.


Good for you.

I'm glad I didn't have to deal with it. I would not have liked trying to explain to a young child that it is a lifestyle that is wrong and that these people are not correct in their behavior.

Dizneyfreek wrote:

gopherus wrote:

Dizneyfreek wrote:

gopherus wrote:

Dizneyfreek wrote:


How is it positive to have to explain to a young child that Jimmy has two mommies? That is confusing to a kid when he has one mommy and one daddy.


Do you have kids Diz. Because I've found parenting to be a barrage of confusing questions. Of course many of them have to do with science (thankfully I am a scientist, but sometimes the questions aren't based in reality). There are many more questions like those you've suggested above:
Mommy, why does everyone else have a daddy and I don't? (because your daddy died in Iraq)
Daddy, why do other kids have mommies at home and daddies that work when mommy works and you stay at home?
Mommy, why does daddy work all the time instead of staying home and playing with me?
Mommy, how come the neighbors have a new car and we drive a 15 seat van build in 1975?
Mommy, where does are garbage go and why do we make so much of it?
Mommy, when are you going to die, what about daddy, what about me?
Mommy, I don't want to die, why do I have to?
Mommy, why are those guys shooting each other on the news?
Mommy, why did Jimmy call Tommy a ? Whats a ? Why did he hit him?
Mommy, why did Jimmy call me a Moron, I said I was a Mormon?
Mommy, why did Tommy say Jimmy was going to hell because he's not part of the Church?
Mommy, why does my biology book say we evolved from a common ancestor with the chimp when my Bishop says we didn't?
I could probably go on for days, but I'll just wait for my child to come up with them and take them one at a time.


I have four! Kids ask stupid questions, many were indicated above. However, the issue of homosexuality is far different than a kid being mean on the playground or a teacher talking about the THEORY of evolution.


You may view them as different, but some don't. I think that homosexuality is pretty easy to explain. It would not be easy for me to explain the Bishop's lack of understanding of evolution and his 'crazy' beliefs without using words like stupid that I refuse to use when talking to my child. We all have things that are tougher (for us) to explain to children than other things. For me religion is such an issue. There are many things about religion that will be easy to explain (e.g. why is tolerance important between religions? what does this or that religion believe?), but the why questions will be tough (e.g. why do those people believe that? why would someone believe something that is so obviously not true? why do some many religions believe in the same God and still not get along?). Homosexuality is pretty easy to explain next to murder, war, child abuse, and rape; even though many of these have simple biological explanations. Why are these hard? I find them difficult because they reflect the bad side of people, they show that we are hateful and violent, they show that behaviors with a biological root are more than biology and sometimes effect individuals and society in horrific ways. I'm not willing to offer an older child the simplistic explanations that are so commonly given, so I'll have to struggle with these. I'll take the 2 mommies question any day.


Good for you.

I'm glad I didn't have to deal with it. I would not have liked trying to explain to a young child that it is a lifestyle that is wrong and that these people are not correct in their behavior.


I'm just curious, Diz. What would you have done if one of your children had of been homosexual?

KitKat wrote:

Dizneyfreek wrote:

gopherus wrote:

Dizneyfreek wrote:

gopherus wrote:

Dizneyfreek wrote:


How is it positive to have to explain to a young child that Jimmy has two mommies? That is confusing to a kid when he has one mommy and one daddy.


Do you have kids Diz. Because I've found parenting to be a barrage of confusing questions. Of course many of them have to do with science (thankfully I am a scientist, but sometimes the questions aren't based in reality). There are many more questions like those you've suggested above:
Mommy, why does everyone else have a daddy and I don't? (because your daddy died in Iraq)
Daddy, why do other kids have mommies at home and daddies that work when mommy works and you stay at home?
Mommy, why does daddy work all the time instead of staying home and playing with me?
Mommy, how come the neighbors have a new car and we drive a 15 seat van build in 1975?
Mommy, where does are garbage go and why do we make so much of it?
Mommy, when are you going to die, what about daddy, what about me?
Mommy, I don't want to die, why do I have to?
Mommy, why are those guys shooting each other on the news?
Mommy, why did Jimmy call Tommy a ? Whats a ? Why did he hit him?
Mommy, why did Jimmy call me a Moron, I said I was a Mormon?
Mommy, why did Tommy say Jimmy was going to hell because he's not part of the Church?
Mommy, why does my biology book say we evolved from a common ancestor with the chimp when my Bishop says we didn't?
I could probably go on for days, but I'll just wait for my child to come up with them and take them one at a time.


I have four! Kids ask stupid questions, many were indicated above. However, the issue of homosexuality is far different than a kid being mean on the playground or a teacher talking about the THEORY of evolution.


You may view them as different, but some don't. I think that homosexuality is pretty easy to explain. It would not be easy for me to explain the Bishop's lack of understanding of evolution and his 'crazy' beliefs without using words like stupid that I refuse to use when talking to my child. We all have things that are tougher (for us) to explain to children than other things. For me religion is such an issue. There are many things about religion that will be easy to explain (e.g. why is tolerance important between religions? what does this or that religion believe?), but the why questions will be tough (e.g. why do those people believe that? why would someone believe something that is so obviously not true? why do some many religions believe in the same God and still not get along?). Homosexuality is pretty easy to explain next to murder, war, child abuse, and rape; even though many of these have simple biological explanations. Why are these hard? I find them difficult because they reflect the bad side of people, they show that we are hateful and violent, they show that behaviors with a biological root are more than biology and sometimes effect individuals and society in horrific ways. I'm not willing to offer an older child the simplistic explanations that are so commonly given, so I'll have to struggle with these. I'll take the 2 mommies question any day.


Good for you.

I'm glad I didn't have to deal with it. I would not have liked trying to explain to a young child that it is a lifestyle that is wrong and that these people are not correct in their behavior.


I'm just curious, Diz. What would you have done if one of your children had of been homosexual?


I would have loved them but they would know how we felt about it.

BishopRick wrote:

notalawyer wrote:

BishopRick wrote:

My sister and her partner raised a son in Sugarhouse (a bit more liberal than most of Utah, admittedly. Even thought it was a bit of a challenge early on, he has turned out to be an extremely well-adjusted, non-judgmental loving man. He and his girl-friend (yes, turned out to be straight, in case anybody was wondering) are very happy today -- both are quite artistic and have some amazing talents. I consider him my nephew, and I am quite proud of him.


I live in Sugarhouse. It is probably much more "liberal" than most of Utah, but not much different than most of SLC, I would think. I can only look upon this as a positive and I would be hard-pressed to find the will to move from this area.

I gather from your comment that your sister's son is biologically from her partner. I consider him your nephew and hope for a day when all in our community will as well.


Yes, you are correct about the biology. Thank you for your kind words. I am looking to move to the area for the simple reason that I find an energy of unconditional acceptance there -- including from the LDS residents. I lived there while in college, and loved the friendliness in the tree lined neighborhoods...have an offer on a house now. Hope it works out!


I hope so too! If I may ask, which part of Sugarhouse is the home you are making the offer on located? We may be neighbors . . .