gopherus wrote:

bbboss wrote:

This moron is disrespectful, stupid, bigoted (most leftie nutcases are bigots) and goes to fictional movies to guide his life (the NAZIs used occult to guide their lives).


bbboss, you've just described most conservatives if you replace fictional movies (ever notice that are it often used for social commentary, of course not) with talk radio and apply the use of the occult to guide their lives that you associated with the Nazis. I guess that does make conservatives more like Nazis than liberals. On average they are certainly more bigoted and tend to be equally disrespectful. As for stupid, this is what the Republican leadership relies on to keep their party in power, a base so stupid that they vote for people that never pass legislation that actually assists them their lives and rarely passes anything that resembles their values.


Gopher, I did not call you a 'leftie nutcase'; I called on you to rein in morons like that poster. Stupid? So if one is middle America, somewhat religious, and is deeply concerned for his/her family then they are "stupid"? Is this what you are implying, because that is who voted for this administration in the last election. That brings up another serious flaw in the Democratic Party, besides the loony lefties like the poster I was responding to, and that is elitism. Note the leading Dems attacking WalMart...they employ almost 2 million people and serve another 200 million...and these folks are just plain old Americans. And they vote...and the elitists in the Democratic Party are driving them away. As I have often said in the last couple years, the Democratic Party is imploding and as long as they cater to the left wing lunatics and the elitists in the media, acadamia, and the lower Manhatten types, the trend will continue. Now is a ripe time for another political party to come into it's own.

Jason_from_PG wrote:

cameraman wrote:

Iraq signed a treaty at the end of Gulf War I obligating them to abide by resolutions put forth by the UN. Sadam was flagrantly refusing to abide by those resolutions. That leaves you with no choice otherwise you have no credibility. I guess mass graves, people being chopped up in meat grinders don't mean anything to the anti-war crowd. Appeasers get more people killed. They did it in WWII and they are doing it now. They are fools and idiots.


Are you drinking the Cool-Aide by the glass or by the gallon.

We are in Iraq for the OIL, TEXAS TEA, BLACK GOLD that is..

How many Hijackers where form Iraq? none. 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia they others from Egypt, Lebanon and United Arab Emirates. When are we going to invade these countries?

We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbour them.
George W. Bush


And GW Bush has done just that by taking down Saddam;

The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million "exploitable items" captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S.
intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.


Hmmm...even the most radical of the Bush haters that actually read know that Saddam was in bed with worldwide terror. He shouted it from the rooftops...ie...25 thousand bucks to families of homicide bombers. Zarqwawi moving to Baghdad in '02, long before the Iraq invasion...hmmm..what was he doing there? Must have been invited to lunch. All this was in the news....you must have been busy that day drinking the left wing website "Kool Aid".

bbboss wrote:

gopherus wrote:

bbboss wrote:

This moron is disrespectful, stupid, bigoted (most leftie nutcases are bigots) and goes to fictional movies to guide his life (the NAZIs used occult to guide their lives).


bbboss, you've just described most conservatives if you replace fictional movies (ever notice that are it often used for social commentary, of course not) with talk radio and apply the use of the occult to guide their lives that you associated with the Nazis. I guess that does make conservatives more like Nazis than liberals. On average they are certainly more bigoted and tend to be equally disrespectful. As for stupid, this is what the Republican leadership relies on to keep their party in power, a base so stupid that they vote for people that never pass legislation that actually assists them their lives and rarely passes anything that resembles their values.


Gopher, I did not call you a 'leftie nutcase'; I called on you to rein in morons like that poster. Stupid? So if one is middle America, somewhat religious, and is deeply concerned for his/her family then they are "stupid"? Is this what you are implying, because that is who voted for this administration in the last election. That brings up another serious flaw in the Democratic Party, besides the loony lefties like the poster I was responding to, and that is elitism. Note the leading Dems attacking WalMart...they employ almost 2 million people and serve another 200 million...and these folks are just plain old Americans. And they vote...and the elitists in the Democratic Party are driving them away. As I have often said in the last couple years, the Democratic Party is imploding and as long as they cater to the left wing lunatics and the elitists in the media, acadamia, and the lower Manhatten types, the trend will continue. Now is a ripe time for another political party to come into it's own.


I know you weren't talking to me, but I wanted to point out that your example was applicable to conservatives and in particular to middle America Republicans.
Yes, I am willing to call the average middle American or Utahan stupid, at least to some extent, for supporting an administration that pretends to, but does not actually, support their morality. These same Americans seem to be unaware of the effect of the economic policies of this administration of their lives and that there are better choices (even within their own party, the choices made during Republican primaries often provide the greatest support for my argument). That isn't to say that there isn't stupidity in the Democratic party base as well. Some of it comes in the form of honest to got ignorant people who support corrupt politicians (same as the Republicans), though only a few of these politicians have been caught with money in the freezer. There are also stupid Democrats who are not ignorant but, as you've described, elitist. Some of the things these elites do are great things. They often support local small businesses when they could shop at a place with lower prices. Luckily they have high paying jobs and few children. They are often supporters of new technology such as hybrid vehicles and new policy such as Trax, not to mention large corporations such as Starbucks that differ only slightly from WalMart. Yes, there is an elitist problem with WalMart and other big box stores. Personally, I shop at WalMart, but I'm on the lower end of the income scale (or at best the middle in Utah). I also have friends and neighbors who work at WalMart, and though often unhappy they do appreciate having employment even if they will leave it for something better. I don't argue against WalMart or other big box stores, but think that they should play by similar rules to other businesses and not be given handouts to eventually increase the community tax base (but I understand why local governments might fight to get them). I personally think the elitists should work on getting WalMart to behave as a good corporate citizen (I'd characterize them as average, not evil) and to carry more US manufactured products. Those are changes I can get behind.

Now is a ripe time for another political party to come into it's own.
I can't argue with that.

bbboss wrote:

Jason_from_PG wrote:

cameraman wrote:

Iraq signed a treaty at the end of Gulf War I obligating them to abide by resolutions put forth by the UN. Sadam was flagrantly refusing to abide by those resolutions. That leaves you with no choice otherwise you have no credibility. I guess mass graves, people being chopped up in meat grinders don't mean anything to the anti-war crowd. Appeasers get more people killed. They did it in WWII and they are doing it now. They are fools and idiots.


Are you drinking the Cool-Aide by the glass or by the gallon.

We are in Iraq for the OIL, TEXAS TEA, BLACK GOLD that is..

How many Hijackers where form Iraq? none. 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia they others from Egypt, Lebanon and United Arab Emirates. When are we going to invade these countries?

We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbour them.
George W. Bush


And GW Bush has done just that by taking down Saddam;

The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

The photographs and documents on Iraqi training camps come from a collection of some 2 million "exploitable items" captured in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan. They include handwritten notes, typed documents, audiotapes, videotapes, compact discs, floppy discs, and computer hard drives. Taken together, this collection could give U.S.
intelligence officials and policymakers an inside look at the activities of the former Iraqi regime in the months and years before the Iraq war.


Hmmm...even the most radical of the Bush haters that actually read know that Saddam was in bed with worldwide terror. He shouted it from the rooftops...ie...25 thousand bucks to families of homicide bombers. Zarqwawi moving to Baghdad in '02, long before the Iraq invasion...hmmm..what was he doing there? Must have been invited to lunch. All this was in the news....you must have been busy that day drinking the left wing website "Kool Aid".


Congressional authorization for force that Bush used to launch the invasion of Iraq. If you read Section 3, paragraph B, Bush was required to prove to the Congress that Iraq was in violation of UN Resolutions by still being in possession of weapons of mass destruction, and secondly, that Iraq was behind 9-11. Both claims have since been disproved and discredited, and appear to be created by the Pentagon Office at the heart of the latest Israeli spy scandal.

Therefore, under United States law, the war in Iraq is illegal. And We The People are not under any legal or moral obligation to pay for it, let alone let our kids be killed in it.

If anything, Bush and his pro-war Neocon buddies should be required to reimburse the treasury for their private use of government property. I leave the question of civil lawsuits for wrongful deaths to the families of the dead American service people, and the live service people still suffering from depleted uranium.

cameraman wrote:

Iraq signed a treaty at the end of Gulf War I obligating them to abide by resolutions put forth by the UN. Sadam was flagrantly refusing to abide by those resolutions. That leaves you with no choice otherwise you have no credibility. I guess mass graves, people being chopped up in meat grinders don't mean anything to the anti-war crowd. Appeasers get more people killed. They did it in WWII and they are doing it now. They are fools and idiots.


No one is arguing that the regime in Iraq wasn't bad. The fact is that they were in somewhat of a box between Iran on the East and UN inspectors within. Sure, they played with UN inspectors, but that was a game not a threat to us. We don't have enough military personnel to fight all of the bad regimes in the world. What are we doing about Iran, nothing. Why? We're in Iraq. What are we doing about North Korea, nothing. Why? We are in Iraq. We have also limited our ability to perform anti-terrorist operations around the world. We have also not stepped in to stop the various instances of barbarism in Africa. We have shot ourselves in the foot, limiting our capabilities to respond to threats and create a positive world-image/fullfill our moral imperative because we entered Iraq when we didn't have to and failed to plan adequately for the consequences of that action.

if rocky wants to protest, he can. this is america baby. he has the right. whats embarrassing is that utah is 99% republican because B.Y. said to be in the 1800's. that ya'll should be ashamed of. don't you folks have minds of your own. it's 2006. a new millenium and 6 years into a new century and 6 years into a new decade. lets get with the program people and stop biotchin about protests. we need em and rocky will have em. atleast he has the balls to demonstrate about his displeasure with the bush admin and belong to a different politcal party. do you have what it takes? well do ya!


GOOOOOO ROCKY!!!!