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SilentReader wrote:
WaynesWorld wrote:
SilentReader wrote:
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This thread discusses the Content article: RICH LOWRY: Obama's speech


flawed at core

This is such a jewel relating to the subject at hand I just have to spread the truth/wealth to the population in Happy Valley. Before you engage in critical comment regarding his religious leader"s how do you respond to this comment from your "church" leader?

Brigham young;

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind....Cain slew his brother. Can might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin."

""Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so."The comment is so very, uh...tribal. Tribal! That's the word.

BY's word was law. If death didn't automatically occur on the spot, I'm sure someone in his bureaucracy would make it come to pass.
I wouldn't have stepped across a line drawn in the dirt by BY in those days, would you?!

To bring up past statements by Brigham Young in order to create divisiveness over them all over again is exactly what the Rev. Wright was continuing to do over the 20 years that Obama listened to his divisive and contemptible rhetoric. It is unproductive and is used only to recreate the past.

Sincere thanks and blessings go out to all English and grammar school teachers in America. Yours is not an easy job (if I dare say so myself).

What on earth does that have to do with the tragic flaw in Obama's character?

Because of your flawed defense of Rich's flawed premise? And composition instructor of worth would give both of you failing marks. Dennis, you are fooling no one about who you are and what you are doing. You are simply a neo-con cyber hack.SR, it is our English/Grammar/Composition teachers that enable us to understand each other through the written word.

Now I'm hardly the best in the county, but trying to read your post a YELLOW if not RED FLAG went up because of such confusing sentence structure. How can you be trusted politically if you aren't composing at least high-school grade sentences on the internet? ( That's why it's good to stay in school, kids. )

Thus, I am very cautious at taking you at your word. I appreciate your effort and I empathize with your apprehension. You have an opinion, yes, but one without the backing of authority I recognize. The authority of an English/Composition teacher would help validate your opinions. Their authority can trump our written political opinions.

So I thank them (and the USA Government of my youth) for being good enough to teach me how to detect, at least to some degree, fact from fiction.

God bless 'em.

SilentReader wrote:
Wren wrote:
SilentReader wrote:
Wren wrote:
SilentReader wrote:

We are with McCain on the War and on being fiscally concervative. What we were not with him on was McCain-Feingold, immigration, not supporting the tax cuts, and the Gang of 14 (McCain has justifed that by saying he wanted to get things done).

Since he has gained the nomination McCain has stated that he will make permanent the Bush tax cuts, and he will secure the border. I believe him. Whatever McCain is, I think he is a man of his word. And we will hold him to it.

You are right, he is a man of his word. And his word is to purge neo-cons. Good bye, SR.

He has never said that.

Do you really think he would tell Pod and the others to their faces they are going to go once he gets elected? He has a use for them right now, but afterwards, they are gone. He will rely on the Powell and Rice network to staff State and Defense, then remove the military commanders who are still left who supported the woefully inadequate invasion of Iraq.

Yes, it will be good bye to you and your ilk.

Hah. You would use my own words to disparage me.

Without our support John McCain will not be the next President. As I said, we will support him because we are with him on the war and fiscal conservativeness, and McCain has said he got the message on immigration and he will secure the borders. I believe him.

So, like the Democrats who kicked Joe Lieberman to the curb solely because he disagreed with them on the War, you would kick those who are the backbone of the Republican Party to the curb because they disagreed with McCain on immigration Gang of 14, McCain-Feingold and so forth?

Again, I say, hah. It won't be as easy as that. The kicking to the curb of one man solely because you disagree with him is one thing. But kicking out the many who are the backbone of the GOP is another. And, isn't it McCain who prides himself of reaching out to the other side. Well, now he knows it's time to reach out to us as well. Because, we are not going to shed the genuine beliefs that we've held for a long time. A strong defense for a strong America. Permanent tax cuts. Eradication of the death tax. Fiscal conservativeness. Self reliability vs the welfare state. Less government. Strong on cracking down on illegal immigration while supporting legal immigration. Closing the borders.

Neo-con babble.

SilentReader wrote:
Wren wrote:
SilentReader wrote:
Wren wrote:
SilentReader wrote:

We are with McCain on the War and on being fiscally concervative. What we were not with him on was McCain-Feingold, immigration, not supporting the tax cuts, and the Gang of 14 (McCain has justifed that by saying he wanted to get things done).

Since he has gained the nomination McCain has stated that he will make permanent the Bush tax cuts, and he will secure the border. I believe him. Whatever McCain is, I think he is a man of his word. And we will hold him to it.

You are right, he is a man of his word. And his word is to purge neo-cons. Good bye, SR.

He has never said that.

Do you really think he would tell Pod and the others to their faces they are going to go once he gets elected? He has a use for them right now, but afterwards, they are gone. He will rely on the Powell and Rice network to staff State and Defense, then remove the military commanders who are still left who supported the woefully inadequate invasion of Iraq.

Yes, it will be good bye to you and your ilk.

Hah. You would use my own words to disparage me.

Without our support John McCain will not be the next President. As I said, we will support him because we are with him on the war and fiscal conservativeness, and McCain has said he got the message on immigration and he will secure the borders. I believe him.

So, like the Democrats who kicked Joe Lieberman to the curb solely because he disagreed with them on the War, you would kick those who are the backbone of the Republican Party to the curb because they disagreed with McCain on immigration Gang of 14, McCain-Feingold and so forth?

Again, I say, hah. It won't be as easy as that. The kicking to the curb of one man solely because you disagree with him is one thing. But kicking out the many who are the backbone of the GOP is another. And, isn't it McCain who prides himself of reaching out to the other side. Well, now he knows it's time to reach out to us as well. Because, we are not going to shed the genuine beliefs that we've held for a long time. A strong defense for a strong America. Permanent tax cuts. Eradication of the death tax. Fiscal conservativeness. Self reliability vs the welfare state. Less government. Strong on cracking down on illegal immigration while supporting legal immigration. Closing the borders.

The neo-cons are not the backbone of the party.

You are not committed to closed borders, because you favor cheap labor for big business.

You are not conservatives, because you are not committed to conservative fiscal policy. You are very close to the Democrats in that you use deficit spending, while the Dems raise taxes: both the neo-cons and the Dems are Big Government folks.

McCain will be elected with or without you, and like the social conservatives since 2004, you will be cast aside.

John intends to remake the GOP in his own image of conservatism, and neo-cons have no place there.

SilentReader wrote:
Make no mistake about it both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will declare retreat and defeat if they get into power, no matter that they will call it by their chosen white-washed term of redeployment. Defeat it will be. And all our troop's hard work and sacrifice will be in vain.

That will be the hard truth of a Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton Presidency.

That's why we conservatives will support John McCain in the end. To prevent the next Jihadist holocaust.

Further, it is in the characters of both Obama and Clinton to fight to the bitter end and it will probably end up in a brokered Democratic convention. Maybe it's in the Democratic nature also to sabotage their own victory.

By the way, if the Republican Party had the same rules as the Democratic Party McCain would have had more of run for his money. As it was Guiliani and Thompson dropped out, and then Romney, and the Liberal media had already picked their candidate anyway. John McCain.

Now that the Liberal media's Republican candidate has won they will go on to rip him apart until the people vote and settle it all.

That's the sad state of affairs. At least in this 2008 contention for the Presidency of the greatest country in the world. The U-S-of-A.

God bless America. Preserve it and keep it. Sinners that we all are. Hoping for undeserved everlasting life on this Easter Sunday.

Make no mistake about it, we will accept neo-con votes this fall, but they will have no place at the podiums of power.

Why? They are not conservatives. They are committed to open borders and cheap labor because they kiss the butt of big business, they believe in Big Brother in our number of civil servants, the amount of money taxed and spent and borrowed (all on the back of the working people).

John McCain will eliminate this culture of neo-con criminality that infilitrated our party and tried to capture its power forever.

If I did not know for a fact that John McCain has promised to clear the criminals out, I would vote for a Dem before I would a criminal neo-con posing as a Republican.

I told you, SR, years ago, that your days of power would come to an end. And do let the door hit you in the butt as you exit either metaphorically on your own two feet, or you can be assisted.

SilentReader wrote:
Make no mistake about it both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will declare retreat and defeat if they get into power, no matter that they will call it by their chosen white-washed term of redeployment. Defeat it will be. And all our troop's hard work and sacrifice will be in vain.
From The Art of Warfare by Sun-Tzu

"Hence, in war, prize the quick victory, not the protracted engagement."

"A state is impoverished by it's armies when it has to supply them at great distance."

"There has never been a state that has benefited from an extended war."

and finally

"There are roadways not to be traveled, armies not the be attacked, territory not to be contested, and commands from the ruler not to be obeyed."

Especially when the ruler is an idiot, like King George. And the sad part is that it was all foreseen in 1994 by none other then Dick Cheney himself. Here, RushReader, listen again. Particularly the part about "quagmire."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

Here we are, five years later, with over 4,000 US Troop deaths, untold Iraqi civilian deaths, over half a trillion dollars spent, and no end in sight to any of it. Quagmire indeed.

That will be the hard truth of a Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton Presidency.
Yes, they will extract us from the quagmire. That is a great truth. The alternative is a continuation of Mr. Bush's "Wild Ride" as it becomes Mr. McCain's "Hundred Year War."

That's why we conservatives will support John McCain in the end.
A real flip flopper you are. It was just a few weeks ago that you said:

SilentReader wrote:
McCain will not win. We, the conservatives, won't let him. For if he were to win it would destroy the Republican Party and everything it has stood for over the many years.

truthhurts wrote:
SilentReader wrote:
Make no mistake about it both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will declare retreat and defeat if they get into power, no matter that they will call it by their chosen white-washed term of redeployment. Defeat it will be. And all our troop's hard work and sacrifice will be in vain.
From The Art of Warfare by Sun-Tzu

"Hence, in war, prize the quick victory, not the protracted engagement."

"A state is impoverished by it's armies when it has to supply them at great distance."

"There has never been a state that has benefited from an extended war."

and finally

"There are roadways not to be traveled, armies not the be attacked, territory not to be contested, and commands from the ruler not to be obeyed."

Especially when the ruler is an idiot, like King George. And the sad part is that it was all foreseen in 1994 by none other then Dick Cheney himself. Here, RushReader, listen again. Particularly the part about "quagmire."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

Here we are, five years later, with over 4,000 US Troop deaths, untold Iraqi civilian deaths, over half a trillion dollars spent, and no end in sight to any of it. Quagmire indeed.

That will be the hard truth of a Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton Presidency.
Yes, they will extract us from the quagmire. That is a great truth. The alternative is a continuation of Mr. Bush's "Wild Ride" as it becomes Mr. McCain's "Hundred Year War."

That's why we conservatives will support John McCain in the end.
A real flip flopper you are. It was just a few weeks ago that you said:

SilentReader wrote:
McCain will not win. We, the conservatives, won't let him. For if he were to win it would destroy the Republican Party and everything it has stood for over the many years.

SR wrote that when he was writing for Mitt Romney. Now he is writing for John and hoping to heavens that McCain's folks do not realize that they have a traitor on the payroll.