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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Dubbs wrote:Just Reading wrote:
Wren wrote:
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Jaye wrote:
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Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
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Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons 
I get that you don't like Mormonism. So what?
So buttons on your underwear
are you OK Wren..??
Boy, wren's turning into a jackass to everyone, even his buddies, He jumped on Kitkat yesterday, you today.  Dubbs Wren may be having a hard time or something, you on the other hand are always a jackass....
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Just Reading wrote:Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
JLD wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
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Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
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Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons
Condemn? Strong words there John. Or do you think that God is going to force the dead to accept the ordinances if they don't want to?
I know that you figure Mormonism to be crap, and I understand why.
But some of your friends on this forum do not. Please keep that in mind.
Yes Jaye I understand my friends made a choice to become Mormon,
that was and is their decision,
Now if I feel my friend have made a wrong choice I will let them know, and I have,
I still respect my friends and I know they have made their choice so out of respect I do not push them or bug them to make a choice that I feel is right....
but I'm ashammed that Mormons and now it seems that maybe some of my friends do not respect others, who did not choose to be moromon and make that decision for them...
So if you think my words were strong, good they were meant too be...!!!
no one forced my friends to be or not to be Mormon.... and mormons should not force others to become mormon with out their say so.
relitives should not make decisions for their ancestors,
it's like that Mormon Mother and father who took their 19 year old daughter to another state so she couldn't get married because they didn't like the guy.... hey maybe they thought since we make decisions for our ancestors in the Mormon Church we can make choices for everyone....
The "Baptisms for the dead" don't make you Mormon.
Then why do the Mormons do them ??
Because Jesus sent His disciples forth to preach His gospel throughout the world, and to teach obedience to the principles of His gospel...which includes the ordinance of baptism.
And the Apostle Paul also mentioned baptism for the dead.
Ok then why doesn't the LDS Church let the Church that the ancestors believed in handle their members salvation and the LDS worry about their own....
What right does the LDS Church have to Interfere in others salvation if they choose not to do as the Mormons or the bible believes or says to do, where is the free agency..??The Free Agency will apply in the next world. They are free to accept the work and the baptism...or to reject it if they choose. The work is done by proxy for the dead by those still living...because it is believed that it cannot be accomplished except by those still in the flesh.
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Blondie wrote:KitKat wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
**************************************************
Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons
Condemn? Strong words there John. Or do you think that God is going to force the dead to accept the ordinances if they don't want to?
I know that you figure Mormonism to be crap, and I understand why.
But some of your friends on this forum do not. Please keep that in mind.
Yes Jaye I understand my friends made a choice to become Mormon,
that was and is their decision,
Now if I feel my friend have made a wrong choice I will let them know, and I have,
I still respect my friends and I know they have made their choice so out of respect I do not push them or bug them to make a choice that I feel is right....
but I'm ashammed that Mormons and now it seems that maybe some of my friends do not respect others, who did not choose to be moromon and make that decision for them...
So if you think my words were strong, good they were meant too be...!!!
no one forced my friends to be or not to be Mormon.... and mormons should not force others to become mormon with out their say so.
relitives should not make decisions for their ancestors,
it's like that Mormon Mother and father who took their 19 year old daughter to another state so she couldn't get married because they didn't like the guy.... hey maybe they thought since we make decisions for our ancestors in the Mormon Church we can make choices for everyone....
John, may I say something? What about those of us who are happy in the Church? You have admitted yourself that today's LDS church does do alot of good in the world. I do not believe many things other religions teach, but I give people the right to believe as they do and I won't bash their beliefs. It is all about respecting the beliefs of others. You don't have to accept what the LDS believe. But what does it hurt to respect others? Respect is a two-way street. To get it, you give it.
And that mother and father.. do you honestly think that only happened because they are LDS? More likely, it happened because they have mental issues or are just plain mean. I'd bet my last dollar that those things happen in other faiths too, because we are all human.
Very nicely said Kitkat and I totally agree.
John, Please reserve your "garments jokes" to somewhere off this forum. It just sounds so CRASS and with no respect to the other posters who are active in the Church. You have ALL the right not to believe as they have the right to believe. RESPECT is the KEY WORD. I find the jokes very offensive. JMO  Blondie, I love ya sweetheart but I do have to ask "what the hell are you talking about"...??? What "garments jokes" ...???
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Jaye wrote:Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
JLD wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
**************************************************
Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons
Condemn? Strong words there John. Or do you think that God is going to force the dead to accept the ordinances if they don't want to?
I know that you figure Mormonism to be crap, and I understand why.
But some of your friends on this forum do not. Please keep that in mind.
Yes Jaye I understand my friends made a choice to become Mormon,
that was and is their decision,
Now if I feel my friend have made a wrong choice I will let them know, and I have,
I still respect my friends and I know they have made their choice so out of respect I do not push them or bug them to make a choice that I feel is right....
but I'm ashammed that Mormons and now it seems that maybe some of my friends do not respect others, who did not choose to be moromon and make that decision for them...
So if you think my words were strong, good they were meant too be...!!!
no one forced my friends to be or not to be Mormon.... and mormons should not force others to become mormon with out their say so.
relitives should not make decisions for their ancestors,
it's like that Mormon Mother and father who took their 19 year old daughter to another state so she couldn't get married because they didn't like the guy.... hey maybe they thought since we make decisions for our ancestors in the Mormon Church we can make choices for everyone....
The "Baptisms for the dead" don't make you Mormon.
Then why do the Mormons do them ??
Because Jesus sent His disciples forth to preach His gospel throughout the world, and to teach obedience to the principles of His gospel...which includes the ordinance of baptism.
And the Apostle Paul also mentioned baptism for the dead.
Ok then why doesn't the LDS Church let the Church that the ancestors believed in handle their members salvation and the LDS worry about their own....
What right does the LDS Church have to Interfere in others salvation if they choose not to do as the Mormons or the bible believes or says to do, where is the free agency..??
The Free Agency will apply in the next world. They are free to accept the work and the baptism...or to reject it if they choose.
The work is done by proxy for the dead by those still living...because it is believed that it cannot be accomplished except by those still in the flesh.Ok I can understand that if that's their belief, Remember I was only active 2 years as LDS, I'm good at history and true facts, but I'm not good at man made or made up beliefs and paranormal and mythological ritual's...
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Just Reading wrote:Blondie wrote:
KitKat wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
**************************************************
Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons
Condemn? Strong words there John. Or do you think that God is going to force the dead to accept the ordinances if they don't want to?
I know that you figure Mormonism to be crap, and I understand why.
But some of your friends on this forum do not. Please keep that in mind.
Yes Jaye I understand my friends made a choice to become Mormon,
that was and is their decision,
Now if I feel my friend have made a wrong choice I will let them know, and I have,
I still respect my friends and I know they have made their choice so out of respect I do not push them or bug them to make a choice that I feel is right....
but I'm ashammed that Mormons and now it seems that maybe some of my friends do not respect others, who did not choose to be moromon and make that decision for them...
So if you think my words were strong, good they were meant too be...!!!
no one forced my friends to be or not to be Mormon.... and mormons should not force others to become mormon with out their say so.
relitives should not make decisions for their ancestors,
it's like that Mormon Mother and father who took their 19 year old daughter to another state so she couldn't get married because they didn't like the guy.... hey maybe they thought since we make decisions for our ancestors in the Mormon Church we can make choices for everyone....
John, may I say something? What about those of us who are happy in the Church? You have admitted yourself that today's LDS church does do alot of good in the world. I do not believe many things other religions teach, but I give people the right to believe as they do and I won't bash their beliefs. It is all about respecting the beliefs of others. You don't have to accept what the LDS believe. But what does it hurt to respect others? Respect is a two-way street. To get it, you give it.
And that mother and father.. do you honestly think that only happened because they are LDS? More likely, it happened because they have mental issues or are just plain mean. I'd bet my last dollar that those things happen in other faiths too, because we are all human.
Very nicely said Kitkat and I totally agree.
John, Please reserve your "garments jokes" to somewhere off this forum. It just sounds so CRASS and with no respect to the other posters who are active in the Church. You have ALL the right not to believe as they have the right to believe. RESPECT is the KEY WORD. I find the jokes very offensive. JMO
Blondie,
I love ya sweetheart but I do have to ask "what the hell are you talking about"...???
What "garments jokes" ...???Ahh, how about the pictures you posted? Ya think? 
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Re:VATICAN KEEPS PARISH RECORDS FROM MORMONS 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Just Reading wrote:Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
JLD wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Just Reading wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Wren wrote:
Jaye wrote:
Sunday, 4 May 2008
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
From Daily Herald news services
Vatican keeps parish records from Mormons
EDs: APNewsNow.
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Vatican has ordered Catholic dioceses worldwide to withhold member registries from Mormons who perform posthumous baptisms.
The order was issued by a clergy mainstay, the Vatican Congregation for Clergy. Officials said the step was taken to prevent members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from baptizing by proxy their Catholic ancestors.
The order was first reported by Catholic News Service. There was no immediate response from the Mormon church's world headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Msgr. J. Terrence Fitzgerald said the Catholic diocese in Utah already has a policy to restrict baptismal records only to those entitled to see the records.
One Mormon genealogist, Russell Bangerter, told the Deseret News of Salt Lake City that the order cracks down on the free flow of information.
Bangerter said the Mormon church has an open-door policy at its own Family History Library.
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Information from: Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com
**************************************************
Interesting. And the Catholic Church has the right to keep their parish records confidential.
However...IMPO of course...I believe that people do have the right to perform these ordinances for their own ancestors...if that is what they wish.
IPR belongs to the parish and the diocese.
They can refuse to give a certified copy to anyone, regardless of the reason, including descendents.
I don't see what it really matters, though.
It doesn't. Especially if the LDS descendants know who their Catholic ancestors were. The records wouldn't really matter anyway.
Yes any Mormon can bring down and condemn any of their ancestors they want into mormonism, even if there ancestors didn't believe in the mormon crap.... "Cool"
if there were a Satan he would love the Mormons
Condemn? Strong words there John. Or do you think that God is going to force the dead to accept the ordinances if they don't want to?
I know that you figure Mormonism to be crap, and I understand why.
But some of your friends on this forum do not. Please keep that in mind.
Yes Jaye I understand my friends made a choice to become Mormon,
that was and is their decision,
Now if I feel my friend have made a wrong choice I will let them know, and I have,
I still respect my friends and I know they have made their choice so out of respect I do not push them or bug them to make a choice that I feel is right....
but I'm ashammed that Mormons and now it seems that maybe some of my friends do not respect others, who did not choose to be moromon and make that decision for them...
So if you think my words were strong, good they were meant too be...!!!
no one forced my friends to be or not to be Mormon.... and mormons should not force others to become mormon with out their say so.
relitives should not make decisions for their ancestors,
it's like that Mormon Mother and father who took their 19 year old daughter to another state so she couldn't get married because they didn't like the guy.... hey maybe they thought since we make decisions for our ancestors in the Mormon Church we can make choices for everyone....
The "Baptisms for the dead" don't make you Mormon.
Then why do the Mormons do them ??
Because Jesus sent His disciples forth to preach His gospel throughout the world, and to teach obedience to the principles of His gospel...which includes the ordinance of baptism.
And the Apostle Paul also mentioned baptism for the dead.
Ok then why doesn't the LDS Church let the Church that the ancestors believed in handle their members salvation and the LDS worry about their own....
What right does the LDS Church have to Interfere in others salvation if they choose not to do as the Mormons or the bible believes or says to do, where is the free agency..??
The Free Agency will apply in the next world. They are free to accept the work and the baptism...or to reject it if they choose.
The work is done by proxy for the dead by those still living...because it is believed that it cannot be accomplished except by those still in the flesh.
Ok I can understand that if that's their belief,
Remember I was only active 2 years as LDS,
I'm good at history and true facts, but I'm not good at man made or made up beliefs and paranormal and mythological ritual's...It was five years last you mentioned it. It's clear you never have studied the gospel, to not know about baptism for the dead? Wow.
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